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You mean we only have 45 more states to go before I can stop hearing about gays wanting to have sex?
Ooh, you want to get married, well that problem is marriage is a religious function, and governments should play no role, so instead of protesting your "wish", to get married, maybe you should be protesting the involvement of marriage with government... You'd get further quicker, and people wouldnt get tired of post after post hearing about gay sex and feel they have the need to change constitutions to mean "man and woman"..
Actually, marriage has been defined in many different ways throughout many cultures around the world - from multiple partners to trades for land.
In a free secular society, one religious sect does not get to dictate the rule for all others.
But in America, a Christian nation, we adhere to the Christian principles of marriage being the legal union between one man and one woman only. America is not a secular society when more than three-quarters of the population believes in and-or worships God.
There is no dictatorship, only majority rule.
Other nations and sub-cultures may be free to define marriage any absurd way they so choose; but the tradtional institution of marriage in the sense of a man and a woman joining in a union is the only proven method that is effective and healthy.
But in America, a Christian nation, we adhere to the Christian principles of marriage being the legal union between one man and one woman only. America is not a secular society when more than three-quarters of the population believes in and-or worships God.
There is no dictatorship, only majority rule.
Other nations and sub-cultures may be free to define marriage any absurd way they so choose; but the tradtional institution of marriage in the sense of a man and a woman joining in a union is the only proven method that is effective and healthy.
First of all america is not a christian nation, k thanks. Secondly, majority opinion is irrelevant, america is NOT a democracy. God, learn how your country operates.
But in America, a Christian nation, we adhere to the Christian principles of marriage being the legal union between one man and one woman only. America is not a secular society when more than three-quarters of the population believes in and-or worships God.
There is no dictatorship, only majority rule.
Other nations and sub-cultures may be free to define marriage any absurd way they so choose; but the tradtional institution of marriage in the sense of a man and a woman joining in a union is the only proven method that is effective and healthy.
You have been listening to Focus on The Family WAAAAAY too much.
I feel that even if I pointed out evidence to the contrary...you'll still believe these incorrect views.
Oh well.
But in America, a Christian nation, we adhere to the Christian principles of marriage being the legal union between one man and one woman only. America is not a secular society when more than three-quarters of the population believes in and-or worships God.
There is no dictatorship, only majority rule.
Other nations and sub-cultures may be free to define marriage any absurd way they so choose; but the tradtional institution of marriage in the sense of a man and a woman joining in a union is the only proven method that is effective and healthy.
Umm...
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson
You've been duped if you believe we live in a Christian nation.
The founding fathers fought very hard to keep the religious extremists at bay when they were forming our government. It was founded specifically to liberate us from any state religion, a model that had crushed Europe and spurred the demand for a new nation free of religious control.
As such, we most certainly live in a secular nation and the beliefs of one religious group, while having a right to free expression, cannot impinge upon the rights of other groups. In this case, marriage equality is the only reasonable solution for a free society.
The simple fact that people from Christian countries were the second to immigrate here or make up a majority today is irrelevant to the founding mission of our nation.
Majority does not rule when it comes to civil rights. Sorry. Study some law and politics before you make statements like that.
If that were so then slavery and a ton of other prejudicial and damaging backward laws would still be in place today (some still are though).
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Originally Posted by yikesamillion
But in America, a Christian nation, we adhere to the Christian principles of marriage being the legal union between one man and one woman only. America is not a secular society when more than three-quarters of the population believes in and-or worships God.
There is no dictatorship, only majority rule.
Other nations and sub-cultures may be free to define marriage any absurd way they so choose; but the tradtional institution of marriage in the sense of a man and a woman joining in a union is the only proven method that is effective and healthy.
The majority of americans seem to favor legal protections for same-sex couples. They just grapple with the name...civil unions or marriage.
I think civil unions are just a separate but equal thing.
Churches will not be required to perform same-sex unions, just like they aren't required to perform opposite sex unions now.
In the states that legalized marriage equality through the legislature, they added in an amendment that explicitly said churches would not have to perform the unions or recognize them. I think that would pacify a lot of people.
I heard of one story in ME where a legislature voted for the bill after his constituents said they were happy with the amendment that wouldn't require churches to perform the unions.
I think the whole myth about churches being required to perform the union is just a way to scare people into voting against marriage equality.
I'm not sure I understand the reference to this "myth"?
I was married in a civil ceremony by a legal notary...no religious doctrine applied for. None desired. My certificate still reads as a Marriage License, not that I would care if it was reclassified as a civil union or anything else, as long as it was binding. They (Palm Beach County) didn't issue a different document because I was married outside the Church. When it comes down to it, I don't think it matters at all what the Church might opine but whether or not the partnership is recognized in court and accepted for legal transactions.
And personally, I'd suggest no-one be so nit-picky about the terminology...just get the allowance IN and work from there.
I've come to the conclusion that there are only 2 justifiable reasons a state may have for banning same-sex marriage.
1) the state wanting to promote procreation
2) the state not wanting two parents of the same sex to be raising children
My experience with single parents still leads me to question whether a state should be promoting any type of parenting other than a mother and a father raising kids, though I think that could be addressed with a ban on adoption and not a ban on marriage/civil unions between two adults who love each other. I'd also be willing to reconsider my view on gay adoption if and when it was proven they are better at parenting than single parents are.
If the state wanted to promote procreation, it would only allow those who can produce children to get married...which would in some sense requires couples to have sex before marriage in order to prove they can bring about children.
The state would also have to ban heterosexual couples who don't want children, infertile couples, and elderly couples as well from marriage.
Many reputable studies have come out and said that same-sex couples raise children just as well as heterosexual couples.
The problem with single parents is not the makeup of the family but more the economic realities of being a single parent.
Are you for taking children away from a parent after one of the parents dies? Are you for taking children away from parents if the parents are divorced (which is likely to happen in this day and age of a 50% divorce rate...)?
Equality Maryland: Arguements Against Gay Parenting - And Why They're Wrong (http://www.equalitymaryland.org/issues/parenting/parenting_arguments.htm - broken link)
I would suggest looking into studies by the American Psychology Association, American Pediatric Association, etc on studies about same-sex parenting rather than Focus on the Family and other right wing propaganda groups.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
You mean we only have 45 more states to go before I can stop hearing about gays wanting to have sex?
Ooh, you want to get married, well that problem is marriage is a religious function, and governments should play no role, so instead of protesting your "wish", to get married, maybe you should be protesting the involvement of marriage with government... You'd get further quicker, and people wouldnt get tired of post after post hearing about gay sex and feel they have the need to change constitutions to mean "man and woman"..
You're the only person who has brought up gay sex....
America is a form of democracy but with checks and balances added into the system ensure a more likely justice for all structure.
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Originally Posted by fungame
First of all america is not a christian nation, k thanks. Secondly, majority opinion is irrelevant, america is NOT a democracy. God, learn how your country operates.
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