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LMAO...i love the Communism tag to socialism...this is so far from the truth and i should know i lived in a socialistic country and believe me there isn't communism involved.
"The goal of socialism is communism"
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
"The goal of socialism is communism"
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Yet the very first people that Lenin went after were socialists, whom he had imprisoned en masse for being "subversives", and the assassination attempt by Fanny Kaplan against Lenin had to do with his persecution of socialists. It was not good to be a socialist in the USSR.
1) Are any of you like me in that you do not understand how Americans could possibly allow an incompetent inexperienced socialist marionette destroy every enterprise we have held dear for two centuries?
2) Does it seem like he's getting it done without even a whimper?
3) Does it seem like so many are nonchalant about Obama taking away freedoms we may never enjoy again? Such as the best healthcare system in the world?
4) Are you amazed that Republicans have forgotten the formula that always wins elections and always fixes the economy? That is, cutting spending and taxes?
5) Are you surprised the mainstream media has abandoned all pretenses of fairness --even for them-- to support this circus clown as he destroys our nation?
I refuse to believe America will turn into Europe. Think about it. The people who comprise the United States descended from people who had the gumption to move here from another country to seek a better life. Surely, that same drive and initiative will prevent them from allowing Obama to take away their way of living.
Or maybe most people ARE up in arms, but the MSM is squelching it to make it appear the manchild is loved and his programs are popular.
SURELY, these enterprising people will derail this idiot in 2010 by electing conservative Congressmen to stop him.
If you take the money (individuals, states or business) you will be beholden to the government. He knows that. That's why he's doling it out much like Tony Soprano offers help and then expects favors.
Let's ask the folks that will lose their jobs from auto dealerships if they are Obamaphobic. They lost their jobs for no other reason than he wants to make a statement.
Oh, Obama decided to close the dealerships?
By himself? Over the objections of the industry leaders?
Wow, that's news.
Underperformers lose their licenses.
Isn't that capitalism? Market forces at work?
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Originally Posted by Weegie
1) Are any of you like me in that you do not understand how Americans could possibly allow an incompetent inexperienced socialist marionette destroy every enterprise we have held dear for two centuries?
2) Does it seem like he's getting it done without even a whimper?
3) Does it seem like so many are nonchalant about Obama taking away freedoms we may never enjoy again? Such as the best healthcare system in the world?
4) Are you amazed that Republicans have forgotten the formula that always wins elections and always fixes the economy? That is, cutting spending and taxes?
5) Are you surprised the mainstream media has abandoned all pretenses of fairness --even for them-- to support this circus clown as he destroys our nation?
I refuse to believe America will turn into Europe. Think about it. The people who comprise the United States descended from people who had the gumption to move here from another country to seek a better life. Surely, that same drive and initiative will prevent them from allowing Obama to take away their way of living.
Or maybe most people ARE up in arms, but the MSM is squelching it to make it appear the manchild is loved and his programs are popular.
SURELY, these enterprising people will derail this idiot in 2010 by electing conservative Congressmen to stop him.
If anything Obama is SAVING the capitalist system. It was the Republicans that tried to destroy it. But I agree with Obama- the country has tilted way too far in favour of lazzie faire capitalism and the rich have gained more from it while demanding the rest of us cover their losses. We need heavy regulation and a more equal level of power between the robber barron class and the working class.
"The goal of socialism is communism"
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Having been brought up in a Socialist country i can tell you from real Experience and NOT from quotes from books or idealists that you couldn't be further from the truth. Russia is Communist, so is China. They are NOTHING like Socialist Countries eg the UK. Too many people on here are "book" smart but not "experience smart". Don't make judgements by what you read or see in the press or tv..it is more than likely written for a agenda.
Socialism is not communism...go live in Europe and see for youself before quoting Lenin and co.
"The BIG mistake socialists always make it misjudging human nature. Man HAS to have an incentive to do his best. Man has an innate desire to compete and earn the fruits of his work. Socialists act like this is a character shortcoming. They think people should work to their fullest "for the good of the group". That sounds great, but it's not how people operate. That's why, in most government settings and in socialist countries, you have people going through the motions while at work, just like zombies. Why? It doesn't matter if they work hard or not; they get paid the same. It doesn't matter if they're customer friendly or not. Same pay. Here's a little test. Call the municipal building of any large city. Chances are, the person who answers will range from indifferent to downright rude. Perhaps they are friends or relatives of the mayor. They weren't hired because they were the best candidates available, and they have no incentive to get better. They have their jobs no matter what. They don't have to please the public. Contrast that with a private firm. If the receptiionist were habitually rude, customers would complain, her boss would find out about it, and she would be told to shape up or leave".........Weegie.
I agree that man needs an incentive to do his work. Why then is the salary of a CEO not enough incentive? When the CEO or Exec gets his salary .... is that for just turning up or getting into his office? Why after being payed a extremely good salary does anyone need EXTRA incentives of millions of Dollars? If a bus driver gets his passengers to their destination on time and without crashing does he get a huge bonus? Capitalism is not a crime but if left unchecked becomes a breeding ground for abuse. How many cleaners in AIG got huge bonuses for making the offices clean and healthy for staff and customers to be able to enjoy being there and thus boosting the companies efficiency? NONE!
There are many CEO's who not only just go through the motions but get huge bonuses on the back of some extremely hard work done by their employees. The CEO's even have the luxury of knowing that if they screw up their job, they will be given a huge settlement and a golden parachute. If a employee screws up they get ....FIRED!
Socialism and Capitalism work together in the UK and other successful countries. The safety net of welfare does NOT mean that everyone stops working or has no incentives. The incentive is not to be on below poverty money from welfare but to be successful. Are you saying that Americans, if given welfare, would stop working? Are you saying that Americans, if given the choice between below poverty earnings and high earnings from working are all going to choose poverty? This doesn't happen. Capitalism CANNOT work on its own. Socialism CANNOT work on its own. The pity is that the supporters of Capitalism are afraid that they will lose some kind of "elitist perk" if EVERYONE had good healthcare, schooling or even unemployment payments if they fall on hard times.
This is the true sign of a Capitalist..... ME,ME,ME!
Let me explain capitalism and human nature. And this is from someone who has been an entrepreneur and capitalist after a short career in the public sector. So, I've done both.
After eight years as a government worker, I worked pretty hard and did what I was supposed to, but I began feeling bored and restless. We got periodic perfunctory reviews, but I always knew my job was safe unless I just stopped showing up or became totally abject in my duties. I also had a growing family at that time, and I got tired of cutting it close and doing without financially. It was then I decided to quit and start my own business. Everything changed when I did that.
Getting into business is the most exciting exhiliarating thing you can do. Since you are totally invested in the success of the business, I guess you are right wiith the ME, ME, ME statement in a sense. But here's the byproduct of that. In order to get to what "ME" wants, I also have to do plenty of what YOU, the customer wants. So, by being 'selfish' I also have to be very generous. In fact, the more 'selfish' I am, the more generous I have to be. The net result is there is a lot of valuable "good" service being performed for YOU with all my heart and soul. And "YOU", the customer, know my efforts and affection for you are genuine or else you would smell a phony a mile away and choose not to provide business for ME anymore.
My business 'selfishness' causes me to act in other ways to help my business. It tells me that joining the Lions Club or some other service or volunteer organization is very good for business contacts. The by-product is a lot of people benefit from the charitable work I do. If I am joining a group solely to help my business and don't actively engage in its charity work, people will , again, sense my phoniness and probably will actively withhold business from me. So, again, my motives would have to be genuine. All the people I see in public like at the supermarket? I know if I'm nice to them, they might become a customer later. But I am also sincere in my niceness. It's not that I wasn't nice before, but I know now I should make an effort to let my best self come out.
So the net result of my business 'selfishness' is to become my best, most personable, most charitable, most giving, most energetic self. In short, I'm "being all I can be", and I make the world that much better by being so. Isn't that what living is all about? Whereas if I'd stayed in my mundane government job, I would have continued going through the motions, not engage as many people, not done as much charitable work, and not have been so energetic.
So which do you think makes for a better country? One filled with excited motivated people? Or those filled with dull lifeless unmotivated workers with no incentive?
Let me explain capitalism and human nature. And this is from someone who has been an entrepreneur and capitalist after a short career in the public sector. So, I've done both.
After eight years as a government worker, I worked pretty hard and did what I was supposed to, but I began feeling bored and restless. We got periodic perfunctory reviews, but I always knew my job was safe unless I just stopped showing up or became totally abject in my duties. I also had a growing family at that time, and I got tired of cutting it close and doing without financially. It was then I decided to quit and start my own business. Everything changed when I did that.
Getting into business is the most exciting exhiliarating thing you can do. Since you are totally invested in the success of the business, I guess you are right wiith the ME, ME, ME statement in a sense. But here's the byproduct of that. In order to get to what "ME" wants, I also have to do plenty of what YOU, the customer wants. So, by being 'selfish' I also have to be very generous. In fact, the more 'selfish' I am, the more generous I have to be. The net result is there is a lot of valuable "good" service being performed for YOU with all my heart and soul. And "YOU", the customer, know my efforts and affection for you are genuine or else you would smell a phony a mile away and choose not to provide business for ME anymore.
My business 'selfishness' causes me to act in other ways to help my business. It tells me that joining the Lions Club or some other service or volunteer organization is very good for business contacts. The by-product is a lot of people benefit from the charitable work I do. If I am joining a group solely to help my business and don't actively engage in its charity work, people will , again, sense my phoniness and probably will actively withhold business from me. So, again, my motives would have to be genuine. All the people I see in public like at the supermarket? I know if I'm nice to them, they might become a customer later. But I am also sincere in my niceness. It's not that I wasn't nice before, but I know now I should make an effort to let my best self come out.
So the net result of my business 'selfishness' is to become my best, most personable, most charitable, most giving, most energetic self. In short, I'm "being all I can be", and I make the world that much better by being so. Isn't that what living is all about? Whereas if I'd stayed in my mundane government job, I would have continued going through the motions, not engage as many people, not done as much charitable work, and not have been so energetic.
So which do you think makes for a better country? One filled with excited motivated people? Or those filled with dull lifeless unmotivated workers with no incentive?
Obviously being a entrepreneur you understand that the first rule of sales is Always Be Selling. That last post was a pure example of P.R.
If only the CEO's of big corporations were all like you. And i have dealt and been with enough to know they aren't
You began to sound a bit like a miss world contestant who says, when asked what her ambitions are...... "to feed the hungry of the world and save all the Children"
To get real here. Socialism and Communism are far apart. The big difference is that Communist countries spout that everyone is equal but rules by dictatorship and a two tier rich/poor system.
Socialism works for the welfare of every citizen by democratically elected Govt's. You can get as far as you like with hard work and determination in a socialistic country with the luxury of knowing that your Govt. really will be there for you if you run on hard times. This does NOT mean that the nation becomes lazy or have no incentives..quite the reverse. Anyone with any kind of enthusiasm can go to the top and seeing people living on the pure basics lets you know where you want to be in life without the "fear factor" that gives so many American's high blood pressure.
You have worked in both sectors in America. Your public sector is not good from what you say...maybe it's because it is treated like a waste paper bin instead of a fighting force to help American citizens have better quality lives. You can't treat people like pigs and expect them not to act like pigs.
In 1776, American conservatives were opposed to breaking away from the monarchy and the established church, and would have viewed the Continentals as being traitors.
Sorry but it does not fly. If you really want to prove a point get your facts straight. Compare ideals not names. What people believe is the only thing relevant not the names associated to their belief system. Nice try though. Our founders were conservative no matter how you try to spin it.
I am serious geeoro.To get in the groove of that understanding is really quite easy. I predicted the tech bubble at least a year before the talking heads finally acquiesced that it was a bubble after 18 months of their superficial asking out loud, "Could this be a bubble". The same goes for the housing bubble. Anything that runs that much to the extreme is suspect. The longer it runs to the extreme the greater the certainty it is bogus.
Wild profits can never be sustained. Wild profits become ruinous profits,- when fools rush in.
This charade that Obama has launched has been festering in the hearts of doo good liberals for a generation. First, the liberals launched a hate assault on America.
Their Generals are the public institutions and the unions which have become very powerful as the quiet and corrupt receptors of billions in public money.
They have become "They" and no one can really identify "They". It is a nefarious conglomeration of media elites, leftist millionaires, pedantic elites, corrupt unions, and last but not least narcissistic politicians that would send you Mr. citizen to the gas chamber if that is what it took to maintain their power.
These people must seize power because they are incapable of generating power. Their power exists only in their tongue and in their wile. Ask yourself the question? What has Pelosi, Obama, Shumer, Dodd, Clinton, Murtha, the list goes on and on and includes many republicans, ever done, to create wealth?
The answer is they have done nothing that did not involve corruption of the political process and the office of the politician. When leadership of a country becomes that corrupt it will not stand.
Now, at the helm we have the most corrupt leadrship of the ages and because we the voters, have made them autonomous, we have no checks and balances except civil disobediance and possibly bloodshed.
Do you think these extremes that have been set in place can long stand? My time is nearly past. I will not lead the revolt and likely my only involvement will be to say I told you so.
Be afraid...be very afraid and prepare yourself. There is a movement about. If you pledge your allegiance to that movement, that mostly silent movement, you may save this nation from great tragedy. You must change your attitude and your voice must be heard. Time grows short and you must reject with heart, soul, and voice the disciples of socialist satan that are bringing the abyss to Nirvana. That abyss is deep and many will tumble in the abyss.
You do not have to accept conservative tenants to save the country. It is imperative that you reject Obama and the disciples of socialism. You may not have known it at the time that you would be peering over the abyss. It should be clear to you now. It should be clear to all but the raving fool. Time is short.
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