socialized health scare....soon to be real... (Christmas, illegals, school)
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The rich fly somewhere else for their private care.
The poor have medicaid.
The middle class, which you forgot, is paying out of the nose for both their own healthcare and those that have no health care by way of their premiums.
The middle class have been dumped into a hopeless position. Too rich for aid and too poor for good health care.
They are going to be the ones who will make the change. Medicaid will not be in existance and a new fully funded UHC WILL be created in America......No prob.
You know how many senior medical specialists will retire if this thing goes through???
Then you will have STILL have inferior healthcare because Doogie Howser will be providing it. And 10 years from now, no one will bother to go to Medical School because their lifetime earningx abilities will have been CAPPED by socialized medicine.
Nothing comes for free? Ok so the people who through illnes have never worked a day in their life in the UK get all of their treatment and drugs without paying a single penny...yes you got it...it's completely free. Any British Citizen or Legal Resident gets Health care even if they have NEVER paid a penny in tax...yes you got it..it's completely free. My wife is American and doesn't work in the UK or pay taxes...YES you got it...she gets her health care completely free. Guess who can be called IGNORANT now?
I guess you haven't had school either, but let me explain..."Nothing comes for free"...means that some one has to pay for it, and by the way your statements make clear what socialized health care is ...so all people who (mis)use the system are happy and others can pay for it....The people who work hard are the ones paying for all people who never even tried to get a decend job and are whining about everything, as long as everything from the the day the are born till the day they die, is paid for without having to tribute to it!
I don't think Greatday realises that freedom is for everyone and NOT just for those who can afford it.
A UHC will come to America. Too Many Americans are realising what a "rip off" the Insurance companies are.
Obama will start slow and it will turn into a huge demand for a UHC.
Australia was against a UHC and some there said all the things the Anti UHC brigade are saying but now they love their health system.
It's not truly UHC geero...it's going to be a public insurance program with lower costs to individuals and ultimately cost the US Government over $1.2 trillion dollars.
Then again I would like to read the bill itself to see what finally comes of this and the plan to cover the costs.
The main error was linking health coverage to specific employers.
That system was bound to collapse as workers became more mobile, or during times of increased unemployment.
Under a UHC, Employers will no longer need to provide any kind of health care. Your salary will rise and Businesses will not be under the immense pressure of paying high Health Insurance premi7ums. Companies like GM would probably survived if a UHC had been in place.
Under a UHC, Employers will no longer need to provide any kind of health care. Your salary will rise and Businesses will not be under the immense pressure of paying high Health Insurance premi7ums. Companies like GM would probably survived if a UHC had been in place.
Why don't you ask Canadians how the system is working for them.
They get cancer, they come to US and pay out of pocket. So much for that rise in salary.
LMAO....So American Freedoms are different to other democratic countries freedoms?
Exactly what have you been through to keep your freedoms that other countries like the UK have not?
Do you mean the American Freedom for the poor NOT to get the same health cover as the Rich?
Is that Freedom to be Dictated to by Big companies and to have your health treatment decided by company directors and not Doctors. Are those the "Freedoms" you hold on to so tightly?
As i am NOT an American can you tell me what you have gone through that is so terrible that you insist on making sure that America is divided into the Rich and the Poor. The rich who have great healthcare and the poor who have hardly any?
Its quite apparent that you have no respect for the Country for which you reside and the things this country represents, including our freedoms, and how we got there.
When was the last time that the UK had a civil war which cost them nearly 700,000 english lives?
When was the last time that the UK fought a revolution for their independence?
I have no greivences with England or the UK, but to act as though your history is equal simply because they are both democracies is ridiculous.
We have more blood shed in this country to establish and preserve the Constitution than your country can fathom. For that reason, most of us here are more concerned with how to preserve the principles of that document than how to manipulate it for our own indivdual benefits.
So don't sit here, using the UK's system as justification to defend a small benefit you deem as appropriate, while kicking the constitution in the shins and then claiming that you "get it".
The only thing that you get is the here and now and whats best for you, rather than whats best for preserving the history of a nation which is obviously successful.
The main error was linking health coverage to specific employers.
That system was bound to collapse as workers became more mobile, or during times of increased unemployment.
This is an excellent point. My dad worked for USSteel for 22 years, and he took time off from his career to go through the depression and WW II, so that 22 yrs was the bulk of his career. My DH, OTOH, through no fault of his own, has been laid off twice, and narrowly escaped once. UUSteel had great insurance, b/c the union negotiated a good contract for their members, and everybody else (Dad was an engineer) got the same. DH has worked for start-ups of five people, and GE, and everything in between. Insurance has been good, bad, and ugly for us. Times have changed. When he was working for a start-up, I once asked him if he thought his boss would prefer simply to pay an insurance tax, rather than going about finding a decent, but affordable company about once every two years (whenever the previous company raised its rates). He said, yes, he thought so, even though his boss was a conservative's conservative.
Ok taking your example. If you really want to "reform" healthcare why not fix the current system ? Why throw more money on top of it and say you have reformed it ?
I've been on the fence on this subject and concluded that in order to bully these hustlers you've got to have a bigger bully to straighten them out and that would be a one payer system put in place. My line of work has been bullied to the hilt by competition and so have thousands of other careers. At the very least Americans and businesses should be able to purchase insurance anywhere they want but that isn't the case at all. These hustlers have divided this nation into their own fiefdoms.
Why don't you ask Canadians how the system is working for them.
They get cancer, they come to US and pay out of pocket. So much for that rise in salary.
Wow., you are so easily swayed by the lies spewed about Canadian system aren't you.
First.. I pointed to a study that showed the percentages of Canadians receiving treatment in the U.S. . It was approx .5%.. (one half of one percent!!!).. Yeah.. that is a large flock of Canadians crossing the border for our medicine BTW. most of those were already "snowbirds" and lived part time in the U.S.
Newsflash... The average Americans can't afford to pay out of pocket for American medicine.. what makes you think an average Canadian can? Unless the Canadians are being charged less for cancer treatments than Americans.. or unless they are coming over, racking up bills and not paying them? Or.. could it be that the RICH think that paying more for something means it's better? ( it's a perception thing).
Secondly.. the NHS system of the UK is very different from the Canadian system. The most important difference is that in the UK you can actually BUY private insurance to supplement coverage provided for by the government through your tax dollars. THe great thing is that the insurance purchased in the UK is far cheaper because the demand for it is not as great. It's more of a "luxury" than a neccesity to recieving treatment.
Rather than spew off right wing rhetoric regarding Canadian healthcare , you might want to actually read about how it functions, how it's funded etc.
Is it perfect.. no, of course not. No system EVER is. You can't please all the people all the time. For every "horror" story you hear (or complaint I should say) about the Canadian system there are probably many more lined up about the U.S system and health insurance companies.
Your statement proves how well the insurance lobbies have done in convincing the average American audience that a single payer system is so horrible.
There was an excellent post on the thread about how the health care bill being looked at now is not really healthcare reform. I wish I had time to find it not, but it would behoove you to read it. It was from a person who is a medical biller and it goes on to talk about how the insurance companies are not paying what they are supposed to, not living up to their contracts etc. They are basically screwing us, the patients and the hospitals (by shortchanging they force pharma's/hospitals and dr's to raise prices to compensate). Whereas in Canada.. single payer.. service is rendered, service is paid for no BS, no red tape.. etc. Thati s only one of themany benefits.
there are down sides too.. in any system they will be. But their downsides STILL give them a far better outcome than our system does.
Canadian system is not the ONLY system out there to look at. There is the UK NHS and the Swiss system as well. But you all keep coming backt o Canada as the be all end all of universal health care.
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BTW. most of those were already "snowbirds" and lived part time in the U.S.
