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Old 06-15-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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I was listening to a weekend political show on our current health care situation and noted a comment that our private health insurance system operated with a 40% overhead for rent, data processing and salaries. IMHO a government operated system could do the same job for 5%. When was the last time you ever heard of a government bureaucrat getting paid the same as the upper and top level private insurance company executives?
When have you EVER heard of the govt doing things more efficiently and cheaply than private sector? Look at the postal system vs FedEx. Look at the bang up SS and Medicare/Caid system and so forth. I mean, really?
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Right. We've heard this before. If the stimulus didn't get passed, unemployment would go beyond 8%. And so forth....Make everything an emergency and crisis, scare the people, and play on that fear. Predicatable, immature behavior. Certainly not the qualities of a mature leader. More like a manipulator.
You're right, we've heard this before. What about that "emergency" last fall that caused John McCain to try to suspend his campaign? What about the "domino theory" in Viet Nam that we all (who were alive then) listened to from Nixon? Those are just off the top of my head.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Yes, thank you.

And, thank you also for clearing up a statement you made - that healthcare is "free" when you wrote: yes you got it...it's completely free

What should prove interesting though is how to get everyone to pay into your scheme - because frankly, it will not happen in the United States.
I wouldn't bet my house on it greatday. A uhc will come to America. Once the ball starts rolling it will be impossible to stop. Once Americans realise that they will get great healthcare in a UHC for much less than private health they will demand it.
The days of high premiums and dicatorship of nealth cover is going to come to an end and a UHC payed in Taxes will happen. Anyone who doesn't want it when it is created could always move to a country where health is of secondary importance...maybe Mexico lmao
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:46 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Nothing comes for free?
Ok so the people who through illnes have never worked a day in their life in the UK get all of their treatment and drugs without paying a single penny...yes you got it...it's completely free.
Any British Citizen or Legal Resident gets Health care even if they have NEVER paid a penny in tax...yes you got it..it's completely free.
My wife is American and doesn't work in the UK or pay taxes...YES you got it...she gets her health care completely free.
Guess who can be called IGNORANT now?
Here is the post from earlier. Now Greatday if you read it ALL you should understand quite easily for whom the system is completely free.
If not.....never mind.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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My Wife has Full Private Health Insurance in the UK and she pays approx $100 per month for a top of the range, covers everything Insurance plan. She pays NO co-pay either. Many Private insurance companies give big offers to get your custom eg. They will pay you in cash for every day you spend in a UHC Hospital if you are sick.This can be from $100 per day upwards. So YES we do need the Govt. "putting their stinking noses into health care" because this is the only way that you will stop the insurance companies ripping you off and charging "stinkingly" high premiums for restricted health care that is decided by their profits.
Hey geeoro, can a yank purchase health insurance in the UK to use here in the States?
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I wouldn't bet my house on it greatday. A uhc will come to America. Once the ball starts rolling it will be impossible to stop. Once Americans realise that they will get great healthcare in a UHC for much less than private health they will demand it.
The days of high premiums and dicatorship of nealth cover is going to come to an end and a UHC payed in Taxes will happen. Anyone who doesn't want it when it is created could always move to a country where health is of secondary importance...maybe Mexico lmao
You are missing the point old boy. There is a significant segment of the United States population that, right or wrong, do not pay taxes. And, that list is growing.

Fact is, there is an emerging tax revolt taking shape in the United States - with questions being asked like "what if 10 million people stop paying income tax - what would the government do?" Answer: Nothing the could do.

Or, we will see an ever increasing number of people totally discharge their income tax debt through the bankruptcy procedure - quite legal you know.

Then, there is the issue of illegal immigrants to deal with - but, that is another subject for another day -

So, we will have to wait and see what happens -
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Here is the post from earlier. Now Greatday if you read it ALL you should understand quite easily for whom the system is completely free. If not.....never mind.
I, and others, were questioning the impression you left (I don't believe it was deliberate) that healthcare was "free" - as in no one pays for it. Obviously, SOMEONE has to pay for it - and you acknowledged this fact. And, you acknowledged who pays for it.

That's all - merely trying to clear up a misperception.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Once Americans realise that they will get great healthcare in a UHC for much less than private health they will demand it.
But so far all they are saying is that they will cut medicare/medicaid and make insurance mandatory.

Obama said he would "talk" to the healthcare professionals about costs but no where is mention of mandated lowered costs. And if they were lowered then private health insurance would go down as well.

So how will the difference between the high cost and supposedly low premium be paid for ?
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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Private schools vs. public schools

Post Office vs. Federal Express

County Hospitals vs. Private health systems


Sure, the private sector is more expensive than the public. If we have individuals in our society who can't, or who have decieded NOT to take the steps necessary to pay the premiums of better quality services, then fine... we need a public healthcare system.

I am a libertarian, yet still see the need for public healthcare alternative for those who can't afford the existing quality system in place for those that can afford the premium. Here is the kicker though. Pay for it yourself.

If you feel the government can provide healthcare, or in the least health insurances systems which are run so much more efficiently than the systems currently in place, then do it. But DONT subsidize it with tax payer dollars making all of us pay for our own healthcare and then the poor too. Don't require that we abandon the system which has served us well because you can't afford it.

There should be no problem with all of the people in poverty or working poor who can't afford healthcare to form a government administered healthcare program which is more efficient and excludes the mean mean profit factor. Right.

Ultimately, our prices should go down too since we don't have to pay for all of the hostpital write-offs for people seaking treatment that can't pay for it.

We all know it won't work, which basically means, people who can't afford health premiums to continue to pay for their care they just want the government to use their strong arm to force us to and guarantee the hospitals provide the level of service provided for by the higher premiums.
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Socialized health care...........a dream come true!
A dream come true for those who always have their hands out. it's the worst possible thing that can happen to this country.
You pal Obama is destroying our country in many ways, this stupid idea is just one of the many...
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