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Old 06-13-2009, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The problem is, the right wing spin machine is trying to persuade its sheep that this guy had leftist leanings "like Hitler's socialists." Naturally the people on the left protest.

Not sure whether the RWSM is trying to deflect from associating the guy with the right's traditional racism or actually, earnestly trying to cobble together an association in the sheep's minds of the guy with the left. They're doing both, I guess.

Yep, traditional right wing racism like that Republican Senator who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for fourteen hours thirteen minutes by himself. His name slips my mind at the moment. Oh, now I remember! It was Senator Byrd of West Virginia. Well, he's not a Republican at all. He's a Democrat. Come to think of it, George Wallace was a Democrat too. Humm, are you sure it's the Republicans who are the racists? See, I don't even do things I like for fourteen hours. There must have been powerful motivation behind that fourteen hour speech.

The same Act received near universal support from Republicans (82%) while Democrats were cooler towards the Act (64%).

Eisenhower was the one who sent troops to Arkansas to enforce desegregation and Democrats opposed the change.

"The 1898 violence began when white vigilantes, resentful after years of black and Republican political rule during Reconstruction, burned the printing press of a black newspaper publisher, Alexander Manly. Violence spread, resulting in an exodus of 2,100 blacks, the commission concluded. Then the largest city in the state, Wilmington flipped from a black majority to a white majority in the months that followed. Before the violence, which led to a Democratic takeover from Republicans and Populists, black men in North Carolina had been able to vote for about three decades. But Democrats quickly passed voter literacy tests and a grandfather clause, which disenfranchised black voters until the civil rights movement of the 1960s."

Panel: N.C. Owes Racial Reparations
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:45 AM
 
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Most people in this thread are retarded.

Look at Hitler's beliefs and policies in great detail and tell me that he was either Right or Left in the traditional sense of the word. You couldn't. Every think that maybe, just maybe, the Right-Left scale is a bit misleading? Maybe that ideologies should be taken on their own and not part of some kind of bull**** scale that is not always accurate? Nah. That would be hard and require something other than slogans.
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Old 06-13-2009, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP)
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What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet

William Shakespeare
It was just a name. A military dictatorship by any other name is still a military dictatorship. Germany was not a socialist country under Hilter.
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Old 06-13-2009, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Yep, traditional right wing racism like that Republican Senator who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for fourteen hours thirteen minutes by himself. His name slips my mind at the moment. Oh, now I remember! It was Senator Byrd of West Virginia. Well, he's not a Republican at all. He's a Democrat. Come to think of it, George Wallace was a Democrat too. Humm, are you sure it's the Republicans who are the racists? See, I don't even do things I like for fourteen hours. There must have been powerful motivation behind that fourteen hour speech.

The same Act received near universal support from Republicans (82%) while Democrats were cooler towards the Act (64%).

Eisenhower was the one who sent troops to Arkansas to enforce desegregation and Democrats opposed the change.

"The 1898 violence began when white vigilantes, resentful after years of black and Republican political rule during Reconstruction, burned the printing press of a black newspaper publisher, Alexander Manly. Violence spread, resulting in an exodus of 2,100 blacks, the commission concluded. Then the largest city in the state, Wilmington flipped from a black majority to a white majority in the months that followed. Before the violence, which led to a Democratic takeover from Republicans and Populists, black men in North Carolina had been able to vote for about three decades. But Democrats quickly passed voter literacy tests and a grandfather clause, which disenfranchised black voters until the civil rights movement of the 1960s."

Panel: N.C. Owes Racial Reparations
There are many trained to cut and paste soundbites and snippets of history without a clear understanding of the overall context of the information they are quoting.

For example, you probably dont know that a century ago, the Southeast and West were strongly Democratic, and that red states were once blue, and once blue were red?

Be careful what you quote if you have no grasp of history, as you cannot then defend your own posts
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Old 06-13-2009, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Southeast
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For example, you probably dont know that a century ago, the Southeast and West were strongly Democratic, and that red states were once blue, and once blue were red?

Be careful what you quote if you have no grasp of history, as you cannot then defend your own posts
Perhaps if you had a grasp on history yourself you would know that in the past there was no such thing as a red or blue state. Blue represented the incumbent party, and red was assigned to the aggressor party. Keep in mind that Reagan's 1984 landslide was described as a 'sea of blue' and he certainly was not a Democrat. It was in 2000 that those colors unofficially came to represent their respective parties. The US is the only country in the world that assigns the color red to a Conservative party.

Whether or not the Republican party has changed since 1854 is debatable. Obviously supporting groups come and go, but the fundamental base of the party has remained the same, and ever since its initial founding it was always the party of wealthy businessmen. And while wealthy individuals have shifted to the Democratic party since 1996, the Republicans still encompass the majority of America's entrepreneurs.
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Old 06-13-2009, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Perhaps if you had a grasp on history yourself you would know that in the past there was no such thing as a red or blue state. Blue represented the incumbent party, and red was assigned to the aggressor party. Keep in mind that Reagan's 1984 landslide was described as a 'sea of blue' and he certainly was not a Democrat. It was in 2000 that those colors unofficially came to represent their respective parties. The US is the only country in the world that assigns the color red to a Conservative party.

Whether or not the Republican party has changed since 1854 is debatable. Obviously supporting groups come and go, but the fundamental base of the party has remained the same, and ever since its initial founding it was always the party of wealthy businessmen. And while wealthy individuals have shifted to the Democratic party since 1996, the Republicans still encompass the majority of America's entrepreneurs.
You can assign whatever colors you want (make it pink and green) the only two political parties of consequence since the end of the Civil War
are Democrats and Republicans, and their centers of power 100 years ago are the reverse of today.

Conservatives being Pink, and Democrats being Green, of course............
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Old 06-13-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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You can assign whatever colors you want (make it pink and green) the only two political parties of consequence since the end of the Civil War
are Democrats and Republicans, and their centers of power 100 years ago are the reverse of today.

Conservatives being Pink, and Democrats being Green, of course............
Make that, "closet pink".
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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It was just a name. A military dictatorship by any other name is still a military dictatorship. Germany was not a socialist country under Hilter.
Would you agree that it was a Statist country, with lots and lots of patriotism?
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Would you agree that it was a Statist country, with lots and lots of patriotism?
Sure. Sort of like the Repubs and their "real Americans"!
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP)
do some readin' momonkey
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