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Why does the Right not care one whit about what other countries want for themselves, and think we should charge in to save them from themselves?
How much would you have cared if the Iranians had intervened in our last two disputed elections? What if France started weighing in on how we conduct our country's elections? Would you stand for that? I think not.
The point you seem to miss is that it's the right that does care about what other countires want for themselves. You seem to buy that the population of Iran wants what's dictated to them. Why do think they're protesting?
What would have happened if the 'bomb bomb Iran' contingent had its way?
"Much of the same faction now claiming such concern for the welfare of The Iranian People are the same people who have long been advocating a military attack on Iran and the dropping of large numbers of bombs on their country – actions which would result in the slaughter of many of those very same Iranian People. During the presidential campaign, John McCain infamously sang about Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-ing Iran. The Wall St. Journalpublished a war screed from Commentary's Norman Podhoretz entitled "The Case for Bombing Iran," and following that, Podhoretz said in an interview that he "hopes and prays" that the U.S. "bombs the Iranians." John Bolton and Joe Lieberman advocated the same bombing campaign, while Bill Kristol – with typical prescience – hopefully suggested that Bush might bomb Iran if Obama were elected. Rudy Giuliani actually said he would be open to a first-strike nuclear attack on Iran in order to stop their nuclear program."
Glenn Greenwald points out that the scenes unfolding in Iran, our Enemy Du Jour, will hopefully make those dehumanization efforts -- the linchpin of our militarism and state of perpetual war -- more difficult in the future.
In Iran, we don't have the power to do anything, so our opinions on what the situation should be are pretty irrelevant at best and counter productive at worst.
And it's the counterproductive part this thread was meant to address. All I can say is thank G-d John McCain isn't our President, or we'd be in for a world of hurt after he antagonized Iran, threatening to bomb, bomb, bomb them.
Okay you got me and the rest of the world. We don't want to have to worry about some nut job who believes he is the means to end times and is actively moving towards nuclear weapons. We don't like the guy calling for wiping a state off the map. We don't like the holocaust denying as it's an insult to millions upon million upon millions of people. I guess I'll take it as you're in the opposition...
Nope, I'm not in opposition to that. Just because I think a nation should have sovereignty doesnt mean I'm pro-Ahmadinajad, only a child would think as much.
I'm just asking for both you and sanrene to drop the intellectually dishonest argument. It is good to see that you have admitted it and I'll rep you on that.
But as I stated:
Not everything is about America. Not everything is about you. It displays arrogance and narcissism.
This is about Iran, their people, and the control of their state with however the people see fit. Right now the people are rioting and protesting because they are angry with their state and it could lead to more. US intervention would do absolutely nothing positive. It never has and it never will, especially in the middle east.
That, in a word, would be what the point of democracy: the ability to decide ones fate. They're doing that right now, and shockingly, some people seem to not want that to happen because it is not in their interests.
The point you seem to miss is that it's the right that does care about what other countires want for themselves. You seem to buy that the population of Iran wants what's dictated to them. Why do think they're protesting?
Have you actually read any of my posts in this thread? Are you seriously contending that I, or anyone on the Left, doesn't care about what other countries want for themselves?
And this line, "You seem to buy that the population of Iran wants what's dictated to them" is comedy gold!
Nope, I'm not in opposition to that. Just because I think a nation should have sovereignty doesnt mean I'm pro-Ahmadinajad, only a child would think as much.
I'm just asking for both you and sanrene to drop the intellectually dishonest argument. It is good to see that you have admitted it and I'll rep you on that.
But as I stated:
Not everything is about America. Not everything is about you. It displays arrogance and narcissism.
This is about Iran, their people, and the control of their state with however the people see fit. Right now the people are rioting and protesting because they are angry with their state and it could lead to more. US intervention would do absolutely nothing positive. It never has and it never will, especially in the middle east.
That, in a word, would be what the point of democracy: the ability to decide ones fate. They're doing that right now, and shockingly, some people seem to not want that to happen because it is not in their interests.
Here's a hint they're both one and the same. I'm always honest and just because you don't agree means I'm all the sudden lying. I have absolutely no desire to spend my free time on a free message board to come here and lie. I would assume most of us other do not either unless, which I just assumed by some of the post, are getting paid to do so...
The ultimate goal is to be able to talk it out with anyone. But we are nowhere near that point with Ahmadinejad and Ill and never will be. They are clearly nuts or using some sick military strategy to allow both countries to get nuclear bombs. Once they have those they'll want on the security council and tons of con cessions. Is that the direction you like? As I said I stand with the people just like I always would have. To separate that and a desire for world peace is kinda ridiculous.
The point you seem to miss is that it's the right that does care about what other countires want for themselves. You seem to buy that the population of Iran wants what's dictated to them. Why do think they're protesting?
It's the devil you know. The Shah was never so reviled until he was put back into power by a foreign power. That's what triggered the revolution that got us the Iran we still deal with to this day.
Here's a hint they're both one and the same. I'm always honest and just because you don't agree means I'm all the sudden lying. I have absolutely no desire to spend my free time on a free message board to come here and lie. I would assume most of us other do not either unless, which I just assumed by some of the post, are getting paid to do so...
No they're not, and you admitted that you are more concerned about imperialism to secure US interests than "freedom", so drop it.
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