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Jesus preached charity. Charity that is not voluntary is not charity. Taxes (to support universal health care) is not voluntary but compulsory. So don't confuse welfare and Christian charity. If you want to follow Christ's example start a non-profit dedicated to providing poor people free health care. But don't use the power of government to fund your charitable aspirations.
You argument leaks like a sieve. Taxes, given to support something as essential as universal healthcare SHOULD BE GIVEN voluntarily. . . Those of us who oppose war know that our tax dollars are supporting an activity that we do not condone. . .that is why we elect our governmental leaders. . . to implement those programs and practices that we believe are beneficial. Democracy will never please everyone, but it is the best system we've got! One needs to look at taxes as the price that we (gladly) pay to live in a just and equitable society.
Actually those stories are perfect example. The first one talks about children having children. A father who contributes nothing because all he cares about is his car and new rims.
These people are behaving very irresponsibly and we cannot take that out of the equation. Why should hard working people have to support children having children and young men who don't want to support the children they sire and stupid girls and women getting knocked up intentionally by them?
Actually those stories are perfect example. The first one talks about children having children. A father who contributes nothing because all he cares about is his car and new rims.
These people are behaving very irresponsibly and we cannot take that out of the equation. Why should hard working people have to support children having children and young men who don't want to support the children they sire and stupid girls and women getting knocked up intentionally by them?
Did the babies that died buy new rims for a car? Did the babies that died act irresponsibly?
This particular passage Mark 3:7-12 inspired me to create a bumper sticker on one of those create your own bumper sticker websites and I've received some interesting reactions from it. Most people like the sticker and some don't. It's interesting that pro-life supporters point to the scriptures as a basis for their argument. Well according to the scripture Jesus healed thousands of people, from the officials dying son, to the leper, the paralyzed man, the blind man at Bethsaida etc etc... Jesus never turned anyone away because of a pre-existing condition. He never sent anyone insurmountable bills that ultimately led to financial futility. He never rationed healthcare to those who could afford it, while excluding those who could not, and in his eyes healthcare was not a luxury, it was simply the Christian thing to do.
I am absolutely convinced that one cannot be a Christian and oppose comprehensive healthcare reform that would cover millions of sick and uninsured Americans.
At best you are just goofy at worst you are delusional and disingenuis! Was Jesus the government, a government official or a representitive of the government? No, No and No! Jesus was setting the example for how Christian individuals should behave, not government entities. Most Christian church's and organizations give immense amounts of money and time to the sick and needy, and they do it with out some big bloated government bueracracy, that TAKES money from those it claims to be helping and gives it to unelected government bueracrats! Nice try though!
At best you are just goofy at worst you are delusional and disingenuis! Was Jesus the government, a government official or a representitive of the government? No, No and No! Jesus was setting the example for how Christian individuals should behave, not government entities. Most Christian church's and organizations give immense amounts of money and time to the sick and needy, and they do it with out some big bloated government bueracracy, that TAKES money from those it claims to be helping and gives it to unelected government bueracrats! Nice try though!
Go back and read the posts prior to your posts. We have already taken care of your argument.
[quote=malamute;9393742]Yes, it is hypocricy -- big time. Liberals want nothing to do with God or Chrisitianity, don't you dare post the Ten Commandments anywhere and don't read the Bible or even mention it in the public schools.
No morality when it comes to television either. Keep religion and any hint of decency away from that too.
However when it comes to justifying Communism and Socialism, the confiscation of our wages by an all-powerful government, then Jesus will be brought into that as a way to justify. Even when Jesus did not promote Socialist governments at any time.[/QUOTE]
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1 Peter 2:13
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13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
Go back and read the posts prior to your posts. We have already taken care of your argument.
No need to, like I said I dont believe the op was actually serious. Libs despise Christians and their morality and like to rant and rave about separation of church and state and how we are imposing our religion on them , but hey Jesus say's the government should provide universal healthcare!
So, then, a single Mother who works for Wal Mart for ten dollars an hour and no health insurance takes care of shelter, clothes, food, and education for her and her children instead of making health care her priority, and all of a sudden her choice makes her part of a "bogus statistic"?
My appendectomy in 2005 was $22,000. I have insurance, so it was an annoyance but not a crisis. For the young Mother in my scenario above, it would be a life-changing sum of money that could end up with her being evicted and ending up on welfare in addition to STILL not having health insurance to deal with anything else that might arise.
We are not discussing a deadbeat here. We are talking about someone who is working hard every day and doing all that she is able to support her family. Do you not at least have compassion for her children? What would you propose that this woman do?
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But I won't disagree that maybe it's time some people get off their rears and get jobs -- such as the single mothers someone mentioned.
Above is the post where I mentioned a single Mother. She has a job, all the job she can find, and is hanging on by the tips of her fingernails.
You assume that she had children out of wedlock, not that her husband left with no forwarding address or died.
If she was hit with a $22,000 bill, especially if it was her child who was sick, it could easily move her from being a productive worker to a welfare recipient. If she took more time off than her employer deemed sufficient to care for her child, she could also lose her job as a result.
This scenario is not at all uncommon in this country. There are many thousands of people in situations exactly like these.
You said it ...stereotype. You are perpetuating the stereotype, which has no basis in reality. Do you actually know any Canadians? Are any of them yearning to have the great ole American system?
Get a clue.
Actually....yes. Lots of Canadians. Have done work in Canada. Know more that live here, and complain about the system. Actually one of the biggest complaints is that while it's "free", they're taxed to death. They pay for the crappy system. They just label it as "free" so libs will jump on board and call it a good thing. They count on the fact that the libs get so worked up over giving someone something "free" that they're not intelligent enough to realize they're paying for it elsewhere.
And don't all stereotypes have a pretty big root in reality? They have to start somewhere.
I got two words as proof that republicans dont care about their countrymen or at least the black ones HURRICANE KATRINA
Hey, do you guys all remember when Republicans hatched this plot to build a city below sea level many years ago because we planned on a big hurricane that would come wipe it out?
That was a fun time!
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