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Old 06-29-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17 View Post
Basically what it comes down too is this:

If minorities fail the test regardless of what is in it, it is considered racist. This is where "affirmative action" comes in. On most tests, minorities are automatically given a passing grade. So even if a white person scores 100% on a test, and a minority scores a 60%, the minority will be offered the job because its considered "Fair".
Would you please stop posting stupid lies and untruths.
It's fine to disagree with affirmative action, that's your right, but to post blatant and obvious lies because you disagree with the policy is really simple minded.

Please show ANY proof where a minority is given an automatic passing scores on civil service, municipal, or privately administered tests.

Decent people can't have real debates because raving conspiracy theorists
keep interjecting non sense into the topic.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Did it ever occur to you that the blacks thought they wouldn't need to study as hard because they knew they had the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons on their side to GIVE them their jobs???
It also never occured to me that anyone would post anything so stupid.

If they did not pass the test, study more,get tutoring or whatever you have to do if the position is that important to you. That's what we black people do,believe it or not!
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17 View Post
Basically what it comes down too is this:

If minorities fail the test regardless of what is in it, it is considered racist. This is where "affirmative action" comes in. On most tests, minorities are automatically given a passing grade. So even if a white person scores 100% on a test, and a minority scores a 60%, the minority will be offered the job because its considered "Fair".

You got it!

One side gets the breaks and rewarding for doing terrible and the other deserving side gets screwed.

That is how affirmative action works. Reward the lesser of the two.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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There are vastly different dialects of written as well as spoken English. At test could be biased in a manner so someone that did not speak a particular dialect would not do as well as someone that understood the specific form. It would be difficult to write but that is why consultants are paid so much. I would not be surprised if the Irish old boys club in the Boston Fire Dept's administration told the consultants exactly what they wanted and that is what the got; A subtly biased test to keep the blacks out of the management class.
What are you suggesting? That the test used key words such as 'wee', 'cake hole' and 'arse'?

Or are you implying that those C-D users that are black cannot understand what the rest of us whiteys are typing? I find that mindset to be racist.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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It also never occured to me that anyone would post anything so stupid.

If they did not pass the test, study more,get tutoring or whatever you have to do if the position is that important to you. That's what we black people do,believe it or not!
That is my take on it also.

Out of curiosity do you think a professional test could be racially biased? And if so, how?
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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I can see how a test can be racially bias for elementary and middle school kids. Maybe even those in high school but just based on the information given on this case I can't see how the SCOTUS could have ruled any other way. Testing for a job for which you are all fire fighters seems to be pretty straight forward to me. Also as a afro-american I get very sick and tired of folks who think Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton speaks for our entire race. That would be like me saying Rush Limbaugh speaks for all whites. Let's use a little common sense people.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17 View Post
Basically what it comes down too is this:

If minorities fail the test regardless of what is in it, it is considered racist. This is where "affirmative action" comes in. On most tests, minorities are automatically given a passing grade. So even if a white person scores 100% on a test, and a minority scores a 60%, the minority will be offered the job because its considered "Fair".
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You got it!

One side gets the breaks and rewarding for doing terrible and the other deserving side gets screwed.

That is how affirmative action works. Reward the lesser of the two.
Seriously, part of me wishes this actually was the case, maybe then I wouldn't have nearly failed my stats class in college. As someone who is currently studying for a grad school exam and has been in school for the majority of my life, I can say that I have NEVER been in a situation like the one you described above. Honesty, reading your version of "logic" has been truly entertaining. Thanks for the laugh.

I also can't believe that anyone would agree with this nonsense.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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There are vastly different dialects of written as well as spoken English. At test could be biased in a manner so someone that did not speak a particular dialect would not do as well as someone that understood the specific form. It would be difficult to write but that is why consultants are paid so much. I would not be surprised if the Irish old boys club in the Boston Fire Dept's administration told the consultants exactly what they wanted and that is what the got; A subtly biased test to keep the blacks out of the management class.
Wonderful spin there. BS but great spin.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Would you please stop posting stupid lies and untruths.
It's fine to disagree with affirmative action, that's your right, but to post blatant and obvious lies because you disagree with the policy is really simple minded.

Please show ANY proof where a minority is given an automatic passing scores on civil service, municipal, or privately administered tests.

Decent people can't have real debates because raving conspiracy theorists
keep interjecting non sense into the topic.
How about the fact that when one is considered a minority that they get points before any test or anything. This is true. How do I know?? Because I am a supposed minority. He didn't post lies at all.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Sunny-Days90:

"What they need to do is have two test." -5; 'test' should be plural.

"One for the smart people and one for the stupid people." -5; Sentence fragment.

"Kinda like they do for high school sports, have a high standard for the SMART people and a low test score standard for the STUPID people who can play basssetballl and cannot spell their own name." -10; No such words as 'kinda' and 'basssetballl'.

"Or like the SAT's, one group has a high number and one group of people a lower number. Purposely done because one group whines about being never given a chance in life." -20; Two more fragmented sentences, poor punctuation (the comma should be a semicolon) and 'Purposely' is not a word.

"Who would want a stupid ass on a ladder fighting a fire when we all know most of them started the fire to begin with." -5; Punctuation.

"You got it!" -5; Conjugation, tense.

"One side gets the breaks and rewarding for doing terrible and the other deserving side gets screwed." -5; Conjugation.

"That is how affirmative action works. Reward the lesser of the two." -10; Fragmented sentences.

Score: 35.
Grade: F
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