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Old 07-01-2009, 07:46 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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How many Americans own passports?


One of the reasons America is sometimes described as being an insular country is the low ownership or passports, and thus the low rate of international travel. Which in some ways is fair enough; in comparison to Europeans, for example, popping over to another country is often a bigger deal than jumping on a train. But Ted read that only 7 per cent of Americans own passports and wondered where the figure comes from. It seems the statistic varies, for example:
Even if you take the highest of the figures here for Americans with passports as true, that is still a very small number of Americans who travel outside America.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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This is a good article comparing the US and Canadian health care systems.

Debunking Canadian health care myths - The Denver Post


all well and good but like the article says, the biggest beauracracy in health care is the US goverment, meaning that most of that comes from the federal goverment, and you really want the federal goverment to have more of it?

also, if canada's health care is sooooooooooo great, then dont bother coming here for their health care needs and over burden our system.

comparable taxes?
that is before a UHC is factored in, also I dont feel like relying on some jerk that is not even a nurse or doctor saying whether or not my child needs surgery for some ailment or not.

want lower health care? then take the federal goverment completely out of the business of the health care industry.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I am sorry you think it is condescending but it is true. I am NOT saying that every American has never been outside America but a high proportion haven't. Sorry but that is how it is.
It is the implication that if Americans traveled more their education would be complete and see how enlightened Europe is that is condescending. Many of us who have traveled extensively see the good and bad in Europe and understand how fundamentaly the US is different. European countries for the most part are homogeneous. This homogeneity accounts, in large part, for differences in how the continents arrange their affairs.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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U.S. issues record number of passports - USATODAY.com
27% of americans have a passport as of June 2008. How many are using them is another question

Sorry shorebaby but as you can see, most Americans do not travel abroad and as i said do not have any experience of other Health systems so are easy prey for the self interest lobby in America and their lies about a UHC.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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U.S. issues record number of passports - USATODAY.com
27% of americans have a passport as of June 2008. How many are using them is another question

Sorry shorebaby but as you can see, most Americans do not travel abroad and as i said do not have any experience of other Health systems so are easy prey for the self interest lobby in America and their lies about a UHC.

See the post above.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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all well and good but like the article says, the biggest beauracracy in health care is the US goverment, meaning that most of that comes from the federal goverment, and you really want the federal goverment to have more of it?

also, if canada's health care is sooooooooooo great, then dont bother coming here for their health care needs and over burden our system.

comparable taxes?
that is before a UHC is factored in, also I dont feel like relying on some jerk that is not even a nurse or doctor saying whether or not my child needs surgery for some ailment or not.

want lower health care? then take the federal goverment completely out of the business of the health care industry.
I also don't want "some jerk that is not even a nurse or doctor saying whether or not my child needs sugery" but that is what is happening in the USA every day. The Insurance Companies dictate whether your child gets certain treatments or not. In a UHC, the Doctor or Medical professional decide on your child's treatment NOT the Govt.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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U.S. issues record number of passports - USATODAY.com
27% of americans have a passport as of June 2008. How many are using them is another question

Sorry shorebaby but as you can see, most Americans do not travel abroad and as i said do not have any experience of other Health systems so are easy prey for the self interest lobby in America and their lies about a UHC.

Here is some food for thought. Again pointing out the provincialism of Europeans.

America: PostGlobal on washingtonpost.com

Behind the myth that few Americans have passports - Columbia Missourian
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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It is the implication that if Americans traveled more their education would be complete and see how enlightened Europe is that is condescending. Many of us who have traveled extensively see the good and bad in Europe and understand how fundamentaly the US is different. European countries for the most part are homogeneous. This homogeneity accounts, in large part, for differences in how the continents arrange their affairs.
OK take Europe out of the equasion.
Australia in many ways is very similar to America yet they have implemented a UHC and it is extremely successful. When a UHC was first suggested in Australia, they wre like you are now and against it. They have now changed their minds and love the UHC.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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OK take Europe out of the equasion.
Australia in many ways is very similar to America yet they have implemented a UHC and it is extremely successful. When a UHC was first suggested in Australia, they wre like you are now and against it. They have now changed their minds and love the UHC.
You have said that before and I have shown you the ethnic breakdown of Australia, it is as homogeneous as any European country.

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/reso...australia.html

Plus it has the same population as NY state, 19MM give or take.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:10 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I also don't want "some jerk that is not even a nurse or doctor saying whether or not my child needs sugery" but that is what is happening in the USA every day. The Insurance Companies dictate whether your child gets certain treatments or not. In a UHC, the Doctor or Medical professional decide on your child's treatment NOT the Govt.

actually, if my health insurance will not cover mt daughters surgery, i can choose to go without the insurance and get it done anyway, with goverment there shall be no other choice, and goverment shall have a very big say on who can get what and who cant.

just look at what it takes to do some improvements on your land that has 2 inches of standing water that the corp of engineers thinks is wetlands.

also, my health insurance covers any pre existing condition when I got employed.
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