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Old 04-12-2010, 05:47 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Do you agree or disagree with the claim:

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"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Bertone. "That is the problem."
Pope's No. 2: Pedophilia linked to homosexuality - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_chile_church_abuse - broken link)

Could it be that the Catholic church is looking to scapegoat an entire community for their lack of response to the pedophile problem for so many centuries?

 
Old 04-12-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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You call a shovel a spade if that is the only type of shovel you've ever seen.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 05:49 AM
 
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Is pedophilia linked to homosexuality? Well no. In fact it appears to be the opposite -That heterosexuality is more likely to be linked to pedophilia than homosexuality.

National Institutes of Health – PubMed (Groth and Birnbaum, “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.”)
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“The adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male”

Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics(Jenny and Roesler, “Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?”)
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“A child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian or bisexual.”

Journal of the American Medical Association -Sexual Abuse of Boys Definition, Prevalence, Correlates, Sequelae, and Management William C. Holmes, MD, MSCE; Gail B. Slap, MD, MSJAMA. 1998;280:1855-1862.
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"One study noted that 98% of these male perpetrators self-identified as heterosexual."

National Institutes of Health – PubMed (Groth and Birnbaum, “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.”)
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“The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is completely unsupported by our data.”
Journal of Psychology and Human Sexuality -(Stevenson, “Public Policy, Homosexuality and the Sexual Coercion of Children.”)
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“A gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children.”
Journal of Sex Research -Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research 26, no. 1 (1989): 107-117
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“Homosexual males who preferred physically mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred physically mature partners responded to female children”
And a more general article showing how some conservative religious anti-gay groups misrepresent and distort studies like those above.
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation


Guess he should keep his day job, because all the studies done in this area don't support his uneducated "opinion" at ALL.

And yes, I agree with the OP that he is is looking for a scapegoat to take the heat off the church and the way they handled all those cases of predator priests abusing all those children.

Last edited by Ceist; 04-13-2010 at 06:15 AM..
 
Old 04-13-2010, 05:59 AM
 
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Or how about the John Jay College of Criminal Justice study specifically commissioned to investigate the child abuse by Catholic clergy.


Gay Priests No More Likely to Abuse, Study Finds - ABC News
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A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops on the roots of the clergy sex abuse scandal found no evidence that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.

The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice won't be completed until the end of next year. But the authors said that their evidence to date found no data indicating that homosexuality was a predictor of abuse.

"What we are suggesting is that the idea of sexual identity be separated from the problem of sexual abuse," said Margaret Smith of JohnJayCollege, in a speech to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "At this point, we do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now."

The question has been raised repeatedly within and outside the church because the overwhelming majority of known victims were boys. As part of the church's response to the crisis, the Vatican ordered a review of all U.S. seminaries that, among other issues, looked for any "evidence of homosexuality" in the schools.

Yet, many experts on sex offenders reject any link between sexual orientation and committing abuse. Karen Terry, a John Jay researcher, said it was important to distinguish between sexual identity and behavior, and to look at who the offender had access to when seeking victims.
So I guess the Pope's Number 2 is completely full of ..... well ...number two .

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Old 04-13-2010, 06:01 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The Catholic church is a ridiculous club, just look at all those old geezers such as popes, living at the expense of society, running around in funny costumes and emitting moral wisdoms, when in fact they have no idea what normal life and love is like. They should have to wear a sticker saying, Danger, pedophile inside! ^^
 
Old 04-13-2010, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The Catholic church is a ridiculous club, just look at all those old geezers such as popes, living at the expense of society, running around in funny costumes and emitting moral wisdoms, when in fact they have no idea what normal life and love is like. They should have to wear a sticker saying, Danger, pedophile inside! ^^

This just may be the best post I'ver ever seen on any forum.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by LuckyGem View Post
Do you agree or disagree with the claim:

Pope's No. 2: Pedophilia linked to homosexuality - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_chile_church_abuse - broken link)

Could it be that the Catholic church is looking to scapegoat an entire community for their lack of response to the pedophile problem for so many centuries?

There is no relationship between the two. Pedophiles are overwhelmingly heterosexual.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 06:37 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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This just may be the best post I'ver ever seen on any forum.
Thanks, I was exaggerating and generalizing, though

Still, I really think very little of such organizations. A couple of days ago I read how the pope and his submissive inferiors (they like hierarchy in the church) are still fighting the use of condoms in Africa, despite the HIV epidemic. They are just out of touch with reality, they have their ancient morals and ideas, and are not flexible enough to adapt them to our modern times. They prefer millions of additional people being infected, maybe so they can send even more church-affiliated doctors and missionaries down there and present themselves as saviors when in fact they should be tried for manslaughter or murder.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by LuckyGem View Post
Do you agree or disagree with the claim:

Pope's No. 2: Pedophilia linked to homosexuality - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_chile_church_abuse - broken link)

Could it be that the Catholic church is looking to scapegoat an entire community for their lack of response to the pedophile problem for so many centuries?
Pedophilia are men on children acts
Homosexuality is man on man or boy on boy acts.

The Catholic church has repeatedly switched these monsters to different churches. These guys are raping and pillaging the land. Killing the spirt of our children.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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There is a somewhat cheesy movie from the 80's called "Heaven Help Us" that really does a great job of illustrating the Catholic school experience. From forcing students to hold Bibles in their palms level to their ears while kneeling to slapping students with rulers to having children swim naked (it should be noted this was not that uncommon even in public schools back in the day) you really get a feel about what the Catholic Church is all about. It all comes down to power.

My mother went to Catholic school until high school. In 3rd grade, she was locked in a small dark closet for about three hours. A nun threw a shoe at her face and nearly broke her nose. She was also repeatedly whacked on her left wrist with a ruler for the horrible crime of trying to write with her left hand. She now writes atrociously with her right hand as do I.

It's all about power and control.
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