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Old 08-11-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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You do not understand. The Smart Car is part of the Affirmative Action President's government assisted suicide program.
I understand that Jack Kevorkian's medical credentials will be reinstated, and he'll be appointed Medicare Czar.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The smart car isn't a very good value. You get much more room, and a very similar MPG in other cars.

I don't remember President Obama endorsing the Smart Car anyway. Higher fuel economy is a good thing, and they are fitting it into bigger and bigger vehicles. Who can argue with that?
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:33 PM
 
Location: USA
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The smart car isn't a very good value. You get much more room, and a very similar MPG in other cars.

I don't remember President Obama endorsing the Smart Car anyway. Higher fuel economy is a good thing, and they are fitting it into bigger and bigger vehicles. Who can argue with that?
I don't think most people object to higher fuel efficiency. The type of cars we will be driving is what most Americans are not happy with (the ones that don't use any fossil fuels at all thereby being much less powerful and dangerous).

I am all for clean diesel but I have to wonder why there are only two car-makers in the US that make diesel cars. Why the push to hybrids? Diesel fuel provides the same gas mileage as a hybrid or more and yet there is no sacrifice in power. In truth, diesel has more torque than gasoline.

The US as gone to great lengths to limit the production of diesel fuel for truckers only. High emission standards in liberal states prevent diesel fueled vehicles from being introduced even though it pollutes more per gallon and double the miles per gallon of gasoline.

Why does this country have limited public transportation? There are so many ways to save fossil fuel consumption but at the end of the day they still want us to drive cars because they come with many other costs that stimulate the economy such as insurance, gas, repairs, registration, and the cost of the car itself.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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Seeing as Obama is the biggest liar in the world, it would be as in other instances where he would deny he ever said it even if a video recording proved that he had. I just wonder how many millions that Honda and Toyota put into secret bank accounts for the anointed one.
Paranoia, will destroy ya.
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The smart car isn't a very good value. You get much more room, and a very similar MPG in other cars.

I don't remember President Obama endorsing the Smart Car anyway. Higher fuel economy is a good thing, and they are fitting it into bigger and bigger vehicles. Who can argue with that?
He never did. The OP is being "misleading".
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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He never did. The OP is being "misleading".
The President does advocate the push to higher fuel efficient vehicles. The problem with his statement is that they are not pushing for diesel fueled cars or public transportation. They are pushing for hybrid vehicles do to its proliferance within the marketplace. Hybrid vehicles come with many problems that are relevant such as:

1. Having a higher initial cost of anywhere between 2-10k compared to it's gasoline counterpart

2. Operating on a fuel celled battery that costs $2500 when it breaks

3. Having inferior fuel mileage to a diesel

4. Having less power than a diesel

5. Being a more dangerous car to drive than a diesel or gasoline powered car

Obama did in fact suggest that we raise our tire pressure to gain more fuel efficiency. What an ingenious solution!
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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The smart car isn't a very good value. You get much more room, and a very similar MPG in other cars.
Now, that I agree with. The Smart car's main selling point is its size - the design is getting to be a bit old and the fuel economy is not outstanding. They're surprisingly nice, though - the interior is well built and they're way roomier than you'd think.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I don't think most people object to higher fuel efficiency. The type of cars we will be driving is what most Americans are not happy with (the ones that don't use any fossil fuels at all thereby being much less powerful and dangerous).

I am all for clean diesel but I have to wonder why there are only two car-makers in the US that make diesel cars. Why the push to hybrids? Diesel fuel provides the same gas mileage as a hybrid or more and yet there is no sacrifice in power. In truth, diesel has more torque than gasoline.

The US as gone to great lengths to limit the production of diesel fuel for truckers only. High emission standards in liberal states prevent diesel fueled vehicles from being introduced even though it pollutes more per gallon and double the miles per gallon of gasoline.

Why does this country have limited public transportation? There are so many ways to save fossil fuel consumption but at the end of the day they still want us to drive cars because they come with many other costs that stimulate the economy such as insurance, gas, repairs, registration, and the cost of the car itself.
People who think that electric cars won't be very powerful, don't know anything about electricity.

DC motors have more torque for their size than internal combustion engines could ever hope for.



0-60 in less than 4 seconds

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Old 08-11-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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People who think that electric cars won't be very powerful, don't know anything about electricity.

DC motors have more torque for their size than internal combustion engines could ever hope for.



0-60 in less than 4 seconds
That is true and once that Americans see them at the race track, that myth will probably die. The car is powerful enough to light 1890 100 watt bulbs. If you are ever near a big building look at the size of the stand by genreators outside which are HUGE and typically 100KW. This car has 189 KW which is a hell of alot of power.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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The President does advocate the push to higher fuel efficient vehicles. The problem with his statement is that they are not pushing for diesel fueled cars or public transportation. They are pushing for hybrid vehicles do to its proliferance within the marketplace. Hybrid vehicles come with many problems that are relevant such as:

1. Having a higher initial cost of anywhere between 2-10k compared to it's gasoline counterpart

2. Operating on a fuel celled battery that costs $2500 when it breaks

3. Having inferior fuel mileage to a diesel

4. Having less power than a diesel

5. Being a more dangerous car to drive than a diesel or gasoline powered car

Obama did in fact suggest that we raise our tire pressure to gain more fuel efficiency. What an ingenious solution!

1. Only for NOW because they are in the development stage. Do you recall what a PS 2 or VCR cost when they first came out?

2. As opposed to an ENGINE that cost $4000 when it breaks? No contest! The batteries last at least 10 years.

3. Lie

4. Maybe but who needs a diesel besides a big truck or a barge?

5. Lie
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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That is true and once that Americans see them at the race track, that myth will probably die. The car is powerful enough to light 1890 100 watt bulbs. If you are ever near a big building look at the size of the stand by genreators outside which are HUGE and typically 100KW. This car has 189 KW which is a hell of alot of power.
doesn't electricity cost more than gasoline? And I would also like to know how many miles they can do before having to be recharged.
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