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View Poll Results: should american citizens be allowed a referendum vote on this health care bill?
yes, they should-let the people decide 50 59.52%
no, they should not-let government decide 32 38.10%
don't know / don't care either way 2 2.38%
Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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you can't honestly believe that is solely why obama won the election. if you are so confident that this is the reason, then you would not mind a referendum vote?
It doesn't matter. You might recall learning that we live in a democratic republic, not a pure democracy.

People voted in Obama for his policies and approach to issues in America. I can only assume, you pick your choice on similar grounds. Having voted for it, and health care was a major part of the platform, please sit back and wait for your next turn. May be the majority will hate his reforms and vote to roll it back in a little over three years. That is how our system was designed to work.

Or, is it that GOPers are too worried about political disaster if the bill goes thru and people love it. In that case, they are only making their case worse, by lying and misleading to get more to oppose.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:52 AM
 
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With this kind of ignorance in such numbers I'd rather have the decision in the hands of people we elected to make those decisions.
Problem is some of those knuckledraggers happen to be in public office.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:52 AM
 
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The trial lawyers running wild is one reason why healthcare is so expensive in this country.
No, it isn't. Trial lawyers are not running wild (cases are in any case brought by plaintiffs, not by attorneys), tort awards are not undergoing any marked expansion, and depending on how and when you gather the data, the entire tort factor will come to either a little more or a little less than 1% of health care costs. Over-consumption, over-pricing, and over-billing by a hopelessly inefficient administrative system are all hugely larger factors influencing health care costs than tort claims.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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Ben should've said that about Congress approving pay raises for themselves.
History of Congressional Pay Raises:

1994: None
1995: None
1996: None
1997: None
1998: 2.3%
1999: None
2000: 3.4%
2001: 2.7%
2002: 3.4%
2003: 3.1%
2004: 2.3%
2005: 2.5%
2006: 1.9%
2007: None
2008: 2.5%
2009: None
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No, it isn't. Trial lawyers are not running wild (cases are in any case brought by plaintiffs, not by attorneys), tort awards are not undergoing any marked expansion, and depending on how and when you gather the data, the entire tort factor will come to either a little more or a little less than 1% of health care costs. Over-consumption, over-pricing, and over-billing by a hopelessly inefficient administrative system are all hugely larger factors influencing health care costs than tort claims.
Every time this gets mentioned it ignores the excess referrels to specialists and extraneous CYA testing.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:07 AM
 
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No, we are not a pure democracy and should NEVER be one.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Every time this gets mentioned it ignores the excess referrels to specialists and extraneous CYA testing.
And why do you think that happens?
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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History of Congressional Pay Raises:

1994: None
1995: None
1996: None
1997: None
1998: 2.3%
1999: None
2000: 3.4%
2001: 2.7%
2002: 3.4%
2003: 3.1%
2004: 2.3%
2005: 2.5%
2006: 1.9%
2007: None
2008: 2.5%
2009: None
Good to see they were high on the hog during the easy-credit fake prosperity years.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I support putting a Constitutional Amendment forward that would say, essentially, that the United States Government shall have the right to get involved in health care / health insurance. Again, let the Congress put this Amendment before the States.

Then, allow Americans the opportunity, at the "local" level to debate the issue and let the individual State Legislatures / State Assemblies vote for the amendment - up or down.

If the Amendment is Ratified - then let the Congress go to work on Health Care / Health Insurance.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Govern by the will of the people? Let them have a voice in deciding what they want and don't want? In our form of democracy?

You must be kidding!

We are not a direct Democracy,only when we elect people we are.No we should not have a vote on it,however there needs to be reform so I don't agree with people who say keep what what we have now they are dellusional if they think everything is ok the way it is.
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