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Old 08-17-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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NH has a regressive tax system meaning that we have insanely high property taxes, but lack an income or sales tax. Therefore, most people have to be fiscally conservative when it comes to local town spending because it directly impacts property taxes because everything is derived of them. I like to call it a high degree of community involvement or hyperlocalism. This is often a good thing in my opinion.
I know all about NH. Lived 8 miles from the state line in north central Mass with family in Peterborough. Anytime I needed to buy anything more than a small purchase, we headed to Daniel Webster Hwy. When we left MA, the only reason we didn't go to NH was the weather is worse than MA.

How can you say the tax system in NH is regressive? If you rent you pay virtually no taxes. The property taxes aren't really high compared to MA when you consider that you pay no sales or income tax. It's a good trade and keeps the state from growing the size of government. Now if you live in NH and work in MA, then you get raped and pay both.
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Thank you for the working link. I will take the time to review the information. I don't understand your snarkiness, since there are many different reasons why a link would fail. Perhaps the CNS News server was busy.
Was the Gallup website down as well?
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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1. who is CNS News?
2. How are they defining Conservative?
3. Why are there now less Republicans than Independents?
CNS News is just reporting the Gallup poll results
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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Like Bob Jones University?

Do you seriously think that civil rights was a conservative movement? Do you think fostering diversity separates people?
Of course diversity separates people, just look at the eytomology of the word, from the Latin dividere which means to separate. But that is part of the mantra of the left, divide and conquer. Diversity also makes more victims which is what the left is about again.

And I never said civil rights was a conservative movement. What I do know is that history shows that governments that were socialist and communist in nature, while claiming that they were for the people, were anything but that. They were oppressors of the people and were more for the state. A true Conservative government would be for the people, would promote more freedoms and fewer tyrannies. Unfortunately, I don't think there will ever be a true Conservative government, nor do I think there will ever exist a government based on pure ideologies such as socialism or communism or capitalism.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:57 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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I agree with previous posters that the U.S. has always been very "socially" conservative. But, growing up in a liberal home I didn't really have a grasp of the extent of it until I was well into my 20's. The Reagan era was a wake up call for me. The fact that many consider Obama to be left wing still amazes me. Although I tend to be somewhat fiscally conservative, Obama is way too moderate for me. That said, many people who identify as liberal have become expatriots. I have friends who have moved to Central America, Europe and even South America and, I hope to do the same in a few more years. So, I guess the old adage, "America, love it or leave it" has actually worked for conservatives! In a global economy it is easier to relocate and live comfortably without getting weighed down in the daily ranting about social issues, gun control, and religion. Many countries that one might assume to be more conservative are surprizingly progressive on many social issues and, expatriots often pay less in taxes. So yes, I think the U.S. is more conservative than a lot of places and possibly becoming more so but, it's a big world and there are other cultures with more of a live and let live sensibility.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:23 AM
 
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The conservatives screw up and we vote in liberals. Then the liberals screw up and we vote conservatives back in, ad nauseum. Maybe one day we can break the vicious cycle and actually vote in third party or independant candidates and actually have a shot at change.
Or we'll find a more middle ground and vote people who are basically the same in and out when they fail. We are becoming less conservative and less liberal judging by voter sentiment. Hopefully the democrats will take a thorough drubbing in 2010 and their extremist leaders will be kicked out of office similarly to the republicans in 2006 and 2008.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Americans will learn to be a more fiscally conservative. Social conservatism will go the way of the dinosaur, though.
Hmmmm, I don't know about that. Abortion, partial birth abortion, euthanasia plus rationing health treatment for seniors, the disabled, terminally ill and young children as supported by Presidential advisors because those groups are not yet, never have been or passed their prime as "productive members of society" you know, just to save some bucks, shows a disturbing trend for the devaluing of human life. Perhaps when they target your group (not you the poster but "you" the people) or your child or parents, you'll wake up.

Personally, and I'm not religious, I think you will see a resurgence in religion in the US much like the re-emergence of religion in China.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I agree with previous posters that the U.S. has always been very "socially" conservative. But, growing up in a liberal home I didn't really have a grasp of the extent of it until I was well into my 20's. The Reagan era was a wake up call for me. The fact that many consider Obama to be left wing still amazes me. .
Well see, you have fallen victim to what he says as opposed to his voting record and when it was a dicey thing for him politically, he voted "present." His books and his speeches are full of moderate-speak but his actions are the opposite. That's why he's the Teflon President and was the Teflon Candidate. People point to something he's done and the left come back with something he's said or written to "prove" otherwise. If you read his books or listen to some of his lofty public speeches (you know, as opposed to the private ones where he says dismissive things like clinging to guns and religion) he comes across as almost conservative. Since the media didn't bother to illuminate his voting record in the Illinois State Senate and the US Senate when he was Candidate Obama, most of America only judged him by those wonderful change speeches...with no meat. They thought they were voting to change Washington not change America.

The reason he's falling apart now is because people have heard the speech (he's still giving them at press conferences). Now they're looking at the actions and they're not as impressed. This isn't the guy they voted for. But he really is the guy they voted for. They just didn't look or want to look at him hard enough during the campaign.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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I said it months ago, liberal and left wingers are the best thing for the Conservative movement.

What people in this thread have said is that Conservatives are racist, Nazis etc. Same garbage that we have heard before. But what is more racist, continually separating people on their race or trying to include everyone? I find that the liberal mindset does the former by promoting diversity and Affirmative action. Conservatives prove themselves time and time again with their donations to charity and work via churches. Personally, I have seen my Mom do more for people via her church than my incredibly liberal Uncle who believes that government taxation absolves him of all guilt. I would rather have people working with and for others rather than the left wing big government mindset of just throwing dollars at an issue and thinking your are superior for doing so.

Keep it up liberals, you are your own worst enemy and the best thing for the conservative movement. We only wish to make a better society and provide more opportunity for people to improve, get a better education and step up. Too many moonbats spoil that stew.

Exactly, race isn't supposed to matter, but it matters when they want job preference, or they don't want Obama being criticized.

When they are treated as equals, and people just dislike something because it is bad, then the race card is played. Oh no, it could never be that we don't like what Obama is doing.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:47 AM
 
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"Conservative" differs from state to state. Someone who calls himself a moderate in Alabama would probably be considered a conservative in New York. In states like California or New York, even Republicans probably have to be pro-choice on abortion in order to have a chance to win. One of the leading Republican candidates for governor in California is in favor of same-sex marriage.
so that means they all should not see eye to eye
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