After eight years of relative safety, terror warnings (Kerry, military, Saddam)

[msina]

Originally Posted by Mom2My3

Why don't you listen to some real soliders and some real families....other than Cindy Sheehan on MSNBC. They know what they are fighting for!! DO you?

Do you? How many members of your family are currently or recently engaged overseas? Have they told you "what we're fighting for"? The offensive in Iraq was manufactured so that Bush could go after Saddam as personal retribution. Saddam got his alright, they hung him so poorly he was decapitated. He (Bush) and his "regime" lied to gain the support of the American people who were still incensed that we had been struck on our own soil, disregarding the fact that Saddam had nothing to do with Al queda, the Taliban or Bin Laden. Yeah, Saddam was a rotten man, from what I have read he DID commit atrocities against his own people. So are the leaders of other nations ... Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, Sudan, Bosnia are all nations that have genocide "issues" but, Iraq had oil and Bush had a score to settle with Saddam.
I screwed up and hit the "rep" icon by mistake instead of the quote icon when refering to your post. The "rep" was a mistake. Have I spoken to REAL soldiers and their families? Intimately.

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

Terror warnings, after eight years of relative safety. Obama is perceived as weak. Our enemies are moving against us once again.

We are no longer safe. The Obama administration is weakening our defenses, and not committed to fighting terrorism. Victory is a word he is "uncomfortable with" (his words).

Expect another attack on America. Only the next one, as promised, will be worse than 9/11. And you can thank Obama.

Let's see, Bush was elected and suddenly there was an attack. It seems like it was Bush and company that attracted the terrorists, doesn't it?

We're past overdue for a diplomatic approach.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by georgia dem

I do not live in fear
where I live has a huge crime wave going on, in the last 2 weeks the house next door to me has been broken into twice.
The last time this happened, the cops chased the guy through my back yard at 2:30 in the morning.
A woman was raped 3 houses down from me in her front yard.
I have not gone screaming out of my house I have owned for 13 years.
I do what I can to protect myself. I have an alarm, I joined my security patrol, I pay attention to who is around me, I call 911 when I am unsure.
To make jokes and take no care for my own safety is stupid, for the president to not take serious the threats is just as stupid, and the folks who run behind him saying it can't happen because Obama is in charge, is fairly frightening.
He can not even explain his own health care plan after a zillion speeches, and he is supposed to be in charge of my welfare on any level when he has shown he is a mere hack, well hang on to your denial, sorry I won't play the game.

What's this got to do with Obama or terrorism?

Originally Posted by newtoli

I think some of these people actually WANT another terrorist attack.

I think some would be overjoyed.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by irishvanguard

When you can't keep up with what's right, your kind feel justly left behind.

If I could keep up with what's 'right' I'd be cowering in fear of myths that go bump in the night. I'm much happier being 'left' out in the warm sunshine of reality.

[odanny]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

Terror warnings, after eight years of relative safety. Obama is perceived as weak. Our enemies are moving against us once again.

We are no longer safe. The Obama administration is weakening our defenses, and not committed to fighting terrorism. Victory is a word he is "uncomfortable with" (his words).

Expect another attack on America. Only the next one, as promised, will be worse than 9/11. And you can thank Obama.

This is how the neocons managed to win an election in 2004 and start an war of aggression against an innocent nation: Fearmongering.

All it takes is warnings of imminent doom and the sheep run for cover.

I doubt you will ever be able to reach 30% of rightwingers, who are not happy unless they are scared and angry

[RFSilver]

Originally Posted by Topaz_Flowers

RFSilver, your idea on Republicans returning to morality as demonstrated by seeing that taxpayer dollars no longer fund bank gambling is fantastic. Also, for us to widen our focus to the safety of all Americans would be a great service to the party and our country as a whole and do much to help us to remember that we are Americans, irrespective of party alliances.

I am ashamed at the behavior that you have witnessed. Maybe you were raised to think that Republicans had higher morals than anyone else. As you can see that is not true. Maybe you were raised to believe that Republicans operated based on a higher standard of truth. As you can see that is not true. Maybe you were raised to believe that Republicans were less apt to be corrupting to their youth as you have felt in your heart. It is not true.

RFSilver, I'm not going to sit here and justify this and say this is life itself because it doesn't have to be. You have your life ahead of you. If you wish to become a Republican who doesn't lie, you can do that, though I do understand that you are looking for ideals to which you can aspire at this time in your life and that you're looking for a political party that you can be proud of at this time in your life. And with youth comes idealism which is a natural stage in this time of your life.

Maybe where you grew up, Republicans were the bulwarks of the community, moral leaders and business leaders who understood they lived in an interdependent relationship with other human beings.

My advice to you, in this forum, would be to find individuals who speak in the way you wish to speak and forget about parties for now. Just forget about the party. Maybe after a while, amongst those individuals you admire in this forum, you will come to know their party affiliation and go forward from that point. Maybe that person might end up being a Democrat, a liberal--and yes, really, I cringe at the thought--but we're talking about your life here and your goal to become a moral person.

I cannot justify what was done and what you witnessed and, in fact, I'm not going to try to. Everyone who says they are a Republican in spirit, is not. If you like the way I present myself or any other Republicans represent themselves or conservatives, then maybe your heart will feel better. What you said was right and true. I am not so jaded that I will stand by and watch youthful enthusiasm and belief be twisted simply because a screen name professes to be of my party.

I, for one, enjoyed your perspective and found it fresh, new, innovative, creative, and insightful. If we had more Republican youth of your ilk, there would be no problem ushering in a new age for the party.

We need to have Republicans in the next generation who are open, fair, moral, and sensitive to not only business but to human beings and their problems across socioeconomic and racial lines, if we are to survive as a viable party in this new century.

We must make room for moral idealists within the Republican world.

: smile: Thank you Topaz for your answer. Do you think it is a difference
in generation? My generation has grown up in an increasingly global
world... through global games that we kids all share through the
internet regardless of country, like WOW etc...

The older generation's thoughts have been shaped in a much more
insular world and their politics reflect this. More and more am I
realizing that the tone taken in discourse reflects this... what I
quickly notice as strange is that... now hear me out Topaz is this...

Take china for instance... there used to be collective unified thought
in politics and life... receiving orders from above and discouraged from
individualized thinking of any sort... this is what I am noticing happening
to political parties in America...

The thought is given from above to propagate as it used to be in China...
individualized thinking is discouraged with the excuse of party building...

Now think about this... kids my age all over are connected by net and in
an idealized stage of developement as you said... Globalized idealism is
our feeling as we connect and trade ideas with one another through
games etc.

Why I said in another post that I am noticing that we in America are
becoming more like old fashioned Chinese regarding the state of our minds
is that when you read these posts they repeat themselves... a lack
of original thought is evident.

In China now, individualism is the new virtue among the educated young
and entreprenuers while a weird sort of "collectivism" has taken over
party politics in America. The kids abroad are encouraged to push
their country forward in this new age while in America the young are
pushed to see everything through the lens of a political party, instead
of a global view that benefits America as a whole.

The young in China are claiming that this 21 century belongs to the young
while we are not encouraged in America to have such views. In fact,
we tolerate suffering of our neighbors while chinese are finding a
conscience and encouraging social responsibility in their youth.

One thing I noticed as well... the wealthier citizens in our country have
a hard heart toward the hardship of others in their own country much
like Lenin cultivated within himself... Did you know that? When Russia
was starving, Lenin was studying various authors and one in particular
supported suffering of citizenry as a means to foment seeds of
socialism.

Now, the well educated know this... we can say many excuses and blame
welfare etc, but that idea has it's roots in socialism... while social
responsibility if only for the people to have money to spend is more
capitalistic in nature. See how a party that professes to be Republican
can get you if you're not careful fomenting seeds of socialism?

Anyway... Thank you for your words... I hope I gave you a way to
understand the internal struggles within the moral youth through me
and why it is becoming ever harder to relate to the Republican party.

It is increasingly losing its ability to have a global outlook relevent to my
generation.

Social safety neting promotes Capitalism at its base and not socialism
yet the Repub party is indoctrinating its people to think opposite.
That seems very leftist to me. Our Business leaders have already
proven and benefitted from social safety neting if only to get
people not to save but to spend or in other words buy debt.

Thanks!


RFSilver

[OnryOne]

Bush was elected? Thats news to me.........

Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend

Let's see, Bush was elected and suddenly there was an attack. It seems like it was Bush and company that attracted the terrorists, doesn't it?

We're past overdue for a diplomatic approach.

[MiamiRob]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

Terror warnings, after eight years of relative safety. Obama is perceived as weak. Our enemies are moving against us once again.

We are no longer safe. The Obama administration is weakening our defenses, and not committed to fighting terrorism. Victory is a word he is "uncomfortable with" (his words).

Expect another attack on America. Only the next one, as promised, will be worse than 9/11. And you can thank Obama.

yes just like I BLAMED Bush for 9/11. Thank You Mr Bush for allowing the slaughter of 3000 Americans 8 months into your Presidency!

[bgibbs42]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

Terror warnings, after eight years of relative safety. Obama is perceived as weak. Our enemies are moving against us once again.

We are no longer safe. The Obama administration is weakening our defenses, and not committed to fighting terrorism. Victory is a word he is "uncomfortable with" (his words).

Expect another attack on America. Only the next one, as promised, will be worse than 9/11. And you can thank Obama.

Bush was strong. Reagan was strong. Even Clinton got it right.

[msina]

Originally Posted by Mom2My3

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.....Go smoke your stuff in your basement and keep your halucinations to yourself. We are not living in the 60s! Hate to break that to you. Most every word of your post was stupid, hippie cr*p!!
Do you really think Bush sent the country into war just so he could go after Hussein? That is incredibly ignorant!
You are lying if you are telling that you have talked to soliders who do not know why they are in Iraq. They chose to join the military....they signed up!!! They know why they are going and what they are fighting for....they know there is a risk! They are there for the love of their country and provide peace to a nation that has been tortured for many decades. We are the world peace-keepers. Like it or not!!!
Your attitude toward Bush (duh! He is no longer in office) - get over it! Your Obama promised to fix everything that is supposedly Bush's fault - where is he? Chumming it up with the other Communists around the world!

Why yes I do believe Bush went after Saddam as a personal vendetta. There were no ties between Saddam and Al Queda, Bin Laden or the Taliban. We had no business in Iraq. There were no WMD's.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...bush.war.talk/

And, in discussing the threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Bush said: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."

Why don't you listen to some real soliders and some real families....other than Cindy Sheehan on MSNBC. They know what they are fighting for!! DO you?

Yes, they knew there was a risk when they joined the service but, they served. My nephew is on his third tour. My son died. I have spoken to "Real Soldiers".
Your personal attacks are childish as are most of your remarks.