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Old 10-08-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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1.4 million dollars is the amount of money spent each day by the health care industry to quash health care reform or to alter it in such a way as to be even more beneficial to the health care industry.

While I'll cite from the article on this specific issue, it makes one wonder just how effective anyone can be in progressing change or reform in government on behalf of the citizenry as opposed to various special interests and corporate interests.

With an almost unlimited treasure chest of funding to shower upon government officials, it is no wonder so many citizens feel abandoned by government. It makes no difference if you are an anti-war protester, a tea party protester, writing your Congressman to vote a certain way on a given piece of legislation, without cash, you mean nothing.

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$1.4 million. That is the amount of money the health insurance industry spends each day lobbying Congress on health care reform.
At the recent Friends of America rally near Logan, Ted Nugent said, "Today's the day when the American worker takes back this country."

Not exactly. Had the 70,000 workers at the rally passed the hat and had every person there tossed in a $20 bill, they would have had $1.4 million. For one day they could have matched the lobbying efforts of the health insurance industry. They could have rented the country from the health insurance industry for that day. On the following day, and the day after that, and the day after that, the health insurance industry would have continued to spend its $1.4 million while those American workers stood shouting in the wilderness.


John McFerrin: Lobbyists, shouters run health deba ... - Op-Ed Commentaries - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:26 AM
 
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1.4 million dollars is the amount of money spent each day by the health care industry to quash health care reform or to alter it in such a way as to be even more beneficial to the health care industry.

While I'll cite from the article on this specific issue, it makes one wonder just how effective anyone can be in progressing change or reform in government on behalf of the citizenry as opposed to various special interests and corporate interests.

With an almost unlimited treasure chest of funding to shower upon government officials, it is no wonder so many citizens feel abandoned by government. It makes no difference if you are an anti-war protester, a tea party protester, writing your Congressman to vote a certain way on a given piece of legislation, without cash, you mean nothing.



At the recent Friends of America rally near Logan, Ted Nugent said, "Today's the day when the American worker takes back this country."

Not exactly. Had the 70,000 workers at the rally passed the hat and had every person there tossed in a $20 bill, they would have had $1.4 million. For one day they could have matched the lobbying efforts of the health insurance industry. They could have rented the country from the health insurance industry for that day. On the following day, and the day after that, and the day after that, the health insurance industry would have continued to spend its $1.4 million while those American workers stood shouting in the wilderness.


John McFerrin: Lobbyists, shouters run health deba ... - Op-Ed Commentaries - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports
Until we have campaign finance reform, these corporate vultures will be enabled to bribe elected officials to vote against the better interests of their constituency. I find it utterly unbelievable that people defend the Corporate Fascists. I posted this thread the other day, but it did not get that much attention...

WellPoint, Inc. Subsidiary Sues State of Maine for Failing to Guarantee Annual Profit Margin of 3%
WellPoint has spent over $10 million* in D.C. fighting the public option as "socialized medicine." Lawsuit calls to question "socialized corporate profits."


WellPoint, Inc. Subsidiary Sues State of Maine for Failing to Guarantee Annual Profit Margin of 3% | CommonDreams.org
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:33 AM
 
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Yet they continue to further their grip on the American political process. Corporations seek to expand the amount of money they can contribute to election campaigns.

Tightening the Corporate Grip: The Stakes at the Supreme Court
CorpWatch*:*Tightening the Corporate Grip: The Stakes at the Supreme Court
The Court will today hear argument on whether prior decisions blocking corporations from spending their money on "independent expenditures" for electoral candidates should be overturned. "Independent expenditures" are funds spent without coordination with a candidate's campaign. The rationale for such a move would be that existing rules interfere with corporations' First Amendment rights to free speech.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:37 AM
 
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Until we remove the ability of Congress to create special interest legislation finance reform is simply populist propaganda. Why is it more evil for big business to lobby Congress than the people who benefit from the welfare state? It is evil for beneficiaries of any public policy, whether business or favored citizens, to enslave the rest of the nation for their own special interest.

Until we remove the ability of Congress to buy votes through legislation any such discussion is pointless.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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Rarely does one look farther then people saying what they agree with to find out their real motivations, it's pretty common way that people fool the masses to rail against political change without looking like evil corporations.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:02 AM
 
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1.4 million dollars is the amount of money spent each day by the health care industry to quash health care reform or to alter it in such a way as to be even more beneficial to the health care industry.

While I'll cite from the article on this specific issue, it makes one wonder just how effective anyone can be in progressing change or reform in government on behalf of the citizenry as opposed to various special interests and corporate interests.

With an almost unlimited treasure chest of funding to shower upon government officials, it is no wonder so many citizens feel abandoned by government. It makes no difference if you are an anti-war protester, a tea party protester, writing your Congressman to vote a certain way on a given piece of legislation, without cash, you mean nothing.



At the recent Friends of America rally near Logan, Ted Nugent said, "Today's the day when the American worker takes back this country."

Not exactly. Had the 70,000 workers at the rally passed the hat and had every person there tossed in a $20 bill, they would have had $1.4 million. For one day they could have matched the lobbying efforts of the health insurance industry. They could have rented the country from the health insurance industry for that day. On the following day, and the day after that, and the day after that, the health insurance industry would have continued to spend its $1.4 million while those American workers stood shouting in the wilderness.


John McFerrin: Lobbyists, shouters run health deba ... - Op-Ed Commentaries - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports
Great post - why dont people see?

This is old, but still relevant -- as long as we never learn.

Great eye-opening chart here; Im sure there's a modern update somewhere - same game, different names.
If a mutual fund returns 20% a year, that's considered unbelievably good. But in the low-risk, high return world of legislation, a 20% return is positively lousy. Why, there's no reason why your investment dollar can't return 60,000, 70,000, even 80,000%!

Here's how it works: With the help of a professional legislation broker (called a Lobbyist), you place your investment (called a Campaign Contribution) with a carefully selected list of legislation manufacturers (called Members of Congress). These manufacturers then go to work writing legislation: crafting industry-specific subsidies, inserting tax breaks into the tax code, extending patents, or giving away public property for free. In an assembly-line process that would make Henry Ford proud, the legislation is produced, and you (and your favorite industry) reap the benefits!
Billionaires For Bush: Legislation: A Lucrative Investment

also from there, still old but still relevant: Billionaires For Bush: Our Investment: Why We Love George
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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Until we remove the ability of Congress to create special interest legislation finance reform is simply populist propaganda. Why is it more evil for big business to lobby Congress than the people who benefit from the welfare state? It is evil for beneficiaries of any public policy, whether business or favored citizens, to enslave the rest of the nation for their own special interest.

Until we remove the ability of Congress to buy votes through legislation any such discussion is pointless.
The corporate welfare state dwarfs the human welfare state, which was drastically cut in 1996 and is now cut to the bone.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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yes we should have let AIG Fail.

AIG to Accelerate Separation of Life Unit, Sell Shares in Asia - Bloomberg.com
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:07 AM
 
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The corporate welfare state dwarfs the human welfare state.
I thought you were a defender of the bailouts?
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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I thought you were a defender of the bailouts?


For different reasons.
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