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I read that a possible compromise to the abondonment of both the medicare buy in and the public option is to create a FEDERAL exchange rather than just on a state level. I can live with that.. that would be a HUGE plus. Actually that should be done whether there was a public option or not and quite honestly I have no idea why they never addressed that in either the house or the Senate bill.
Are you in agreement with the mandating that "you" HAVE to have insurance or risk going to jail?
I read that a possible compromise to the abondonment of both the medicare buy in and the public option is to create a FEDERAL exchange rather than just on a state level. I can live with that.. that would be a HUGE plus. Actually that should be done whether there was a public option or not and quite honestly I have no idea why they never addressed that in either the house or the Senate bill.
If you don't pay your income taxes you can be sent to jail. If you don't buy car insurance for your car you can be fined and although such offenders are seldom sent to jail most state statutes at least make this a possibility.
You are trying to make this sound like its a revolutionary idea. Its not. Its exactly the way things work right now.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you get sick you are going to need medical care. If medical care is provided than costs are incurred. If costs are incurred than these costs must be reimbursed in order for the system to function over the long haul. That's the reason for the mandate. Not some desire on the part of government to "grab" power.
When social security was being proposed people opposed it and called it "socialist". When Medicare was being proposed the same objections were made. All we are doing now is creating some kind of a system that will benefit groups besides just the elderly.
Your arguments aren't new. What's being proposed isn't really new either. Its going through. When the House approves this when they come back from recess after the Christmas break, I expect the bill will be on Obama's desk for signature pretty quickly.
If you don't pay your income taxes you can be sent to jail. If you don't buy car insurance for your car you can be fined and although such offenders are seldom sent to jail most state statutes at least make this a possibility.
You are trying to make this sound like its a revolutionary idea. Its not. Its exactly the way things work right now.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you get sick you are going to need medical care. If medical care is provided than costs are incurred. If costs are incurred than these costs must be reimbursed in order for the system to function over the long haul. That's the reason for the mandate. Not some desire on the part of government to "grab" power.
When social security was being proposed people opposed it and called it "socialist". When Medicare was being proposed the same objections were made. All we are doing now is creating some kind of a system that will benefit groups besides just the elderly.
Your arguments aren't new. What's being proposed isn't really new either. Its going through. When the House approves this when they come back from recess after the Christmas break, I expect the bill will be on Obama's desk for signature pretty quickly.
Well said..
And he has asked that question of me at least 100 times arleady probably a few on this very thread.. and my answer is always 100% YES.
If you don't pay your income taxes you can be sent to jail. If you don't buy car insurance for your car you can be fined and although such offenders are seldom sent to jail most state statutes at least make this a possibility.
You are trying to make this sound like its a revolutionary idea. Its not. Its exactly the way things work right now.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you get sick you are going to need medical care. If medical care is provided than costs are incurred. If costs are incurred than these costs must be reimbursed in order for the system to function over the long haul. That's the reason for the mandate. Not some desire on the part of government to "grab" power.
When social security was being proposed people opposed it and called it "socialist". When Medicare was being proposed the same objections were made. All we are doing now is creating some kind of a system that will benefit groups besides just the elderly.
Your arguments aren't new. What's being proposed isn't really new either. Its going through. When the House approves this when they come back from recess after the Christmas break, I expect the bill will be on Obama's desk for signature pretty quickly.
If you don’t pay your income taxes you will NOT be sent to jail, the government will seize your possessions. If you do not purchase auto insurance you will not got to jail, your license will be suspended. It is a revolutionary thing. It is the way things work in a socialist government.
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If medical care is provided than costs are incurred. If costs are incurred than these costs must be reimbursed in order for the system to function over the long haul. That's the reason for the mandate. Not some desire on the part of government to "grab" power.
This comment is absurd, if my car breaks down I’ll need to have it fixed, if cost are incurred I don’t expect the whole tax paying base to supplement my repair cost. Nor do I expect the tax payers to reimburse me. (I wish people would stop standing around with there hands out waiting for someone else to take care of them)
Social security and Medicare are both bankrupt, remember Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity?
Your right, the bill will probably go through and when our government has cleared a path into a non reversible socialist stage there will be no turning back. Then you’ll have to eat what ever crap they feed you. Live in what ever house they tell you and die when they think your no longer a viable life force.
Keep thinking this bill will help you in the long run, IMO its nothing more than a lick and a promise.
And he has asked that question of me at least 100 times arleady probably a few on this very thread.. and my answer is always 100% YES.
And yet you don't have insurance.
You've already stated that you may not to get insurance for 4 more years...waiting for the subsidies I guess. When do the fines or jail time start according to the bill?
A basic rule of thumb is, you are free to make bad choices as long as they do not affect others.
Since the bad choice of not having health insurance will result in jail time if the health reform bill is passed, shouldn't other bad choices that directly affect others such as drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism, unwed pregnancies, welfare mothers also result in jail time? These bad choices also affect others in society and affects the cost of our healthcare system (possibly more so than the uninsured).
Since the bad choice of not having health insurance will result in jail time if the health reform bill is passed, shouldn't other bad choices that directly affect others such as drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism, unwed pregnancies, welfare mothers also result in jail time? These bad choices also affect others in society and affects the cost of our healthcare system (possibly more so than the uninsured).
And let's not forget those who don't exercise ... welcome to the nanny state!
Policy Patriots -
What have you accomplished?
Because of your efforts against ObamaCare all the Republican Senators stayed the course. About two dozen of them were potential votes for something like the Reid bill.
Where are we now?
The Senate and House bills have to be reconciled and then go back for a vote in the Senate and House. Right now, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are talking with each other about how to reconcile the differences between the two bills. We are hearing that there may not be a formal conference committee, because of all the procedural hurdles to appoint conferees, including likely Republican opposition and various time-consuming matters pertaining to congressional rules and procedures.
There could be some sort of "informal" conference committee, bypassing congressional rules, where a few Senate and House Democrats literally write a new bill (taking pieces from each of the House and Senate passed bills). Both chambers of Congress would have to approve the new bill. By and far the quickest way to the President's desk is for the House of Representatives to simply pass the Senate-passed bill. That would avoid a conference committee altogether. But there is a lot of push - back from House liberals (including Reps. Rangel, Waxman, Miller, and so forth).
Your cost for the Senate bill - lots of Christmas gifts under their tree!
Here is what the Obama Administration gave away to get the bill passed - this is your money and it was not listed as part of the cost of the Senate bill! And, we thought those Senators were standing up for what they believed in. Here is what they got!
This is adapted from a Dana Milbank column in The Washington Post:
The Louisiana Purchase: $100 million in extra Medicaid money for the Bayou State, requested by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.).
The Cornhusker Kickback: $100 million in extra Medicaid money, this time for Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.).
Omaha Prime Cuts: Nebraska's Nelson won a "carve out" provision that would reduce fees for Mutual of Omaha and other Nebraska insurers.
Con: $100 million meant for a medical center in Connecticut for Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.)
Gator Aid: Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Flo.) secured a grandfather clause will allow Floridians to preserve their pricey Medicare Advantage program from cuts imposed in the other states.
Handout Montana: Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) secured Medicare coverage for anybody exposed to asbestos - as long as they worked in a mine in Libby, Montana.
Iowa Pork: Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) won more Medicare money for low-volume hospitals of the sort commonly found in Iowa.
Dakota Payoff: Sens. Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad, both North Dakota Democrats, will enjoy a provision bringing higher Medicare payments to hospitals and doctors in "frontier counties" of states such as - let's see here - North Dakota!
Hawaii Aloha: Hawaii, with two Democratic Senators, will get richer payments to hospitals that treat many uninsured people.
Wolverine Bonanza: Michigan, home of two other Democrats, will earn higher Medicare payments and some reduced fees for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
What socialism means in Vermont: Sen. Bernie Sanders is getting larger Medicaid payments for his state (neighboring Massachusetts will get some, too).
Learn more details by visiting this site: Republican Study Committee (RSC)
Next Step!
Write your Senators and House members. They are counting the number of letters, so you are making a difference. So far, they have received over 440,000 letters from our Policy Patriots, and over 9,500 calls. Remember, 2010 is an election year and one third of the Senate and the full House is up for re-election. The message is: you work for me! Go to the Action Army now! Let them know they work for you with your letter. http://www.actionarmy.org
Do not try to call this week!
Many of you have tried to call and the Senate telephones are not being answered. Apparently, they do not want to hear from us, so let's wait until next week when the staffers are back in the offices.
The NCPA maintains a wealth of educational and resource material including better alternatives to government-run health care:
John Goodman's Health Care Plan: http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/health_plan112007.pdf
Health Care Solutions: http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Health_Care...ons_072909.pdf
Heartland Institute's Health Care Solutions: http://www.chcchoices.org
Thank you again for your support and for fighting against government-run health care. This is a fight worth fighting and we will win one way or another!
Jeanette Nordstrom
National Center for Policy Analysis www.ncpa.org
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