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Really, is that what I stated in my original quote? He did say the bystanders should not be prosecuted which they clearly should since they were guilty and accessory to rape. Arguing these people shouldn't be prosecuted is assinine.
You're misquoting me, az.
If they're guilty of accessory, throw the book at them.
I VERY SPECIFICALLY stated that I was against "good samaritan" laws. I NEVER said anything about accessory charges against these kids, other than if they can be charged, do it.
Please get your facts straight before trying to defame my character. Thank you.
Wow, so when you are lying on the side of the freeway dying, you would rather an MD or RN drive by than stop and help. Without Good Samaritan laws people would not stop and help with the epidemic of law suits these days. I did stop and help a kid after a motorcycle accident just recently. Took the ambulance another 20 minutes to get there, and I absolutely saved his life, and would do it again. I happen to be an RN, but if you have a brain, and a phone you can help without getting your brain or your misguided political convictions dirty. To hear people say it's "not their responsibility", or they "don't want to get involved" really sickens me. I can somewhat understand that coming from a kid that must exist in that anti-snitching environment after the fact, but seriously, particularly from grown men and women. Shame on you. That was someone's daughter, and she could just as easily have been yours.
You raise people with morality, you do not legislate it. Otherwise, what purpose does the separation of church and state exist for if we are to allow legislated morality to dictate principals of action and conduct?
I am not saying it is right "not to help", but to make it an criminal violation is no different than enforcing servitude of religious doctrine on the people. What should be is that socially people are looked down on for not being of that nature. It should also be nurtured and encouraged parenting and schooling, yet it should always remain a choice.
All legislating morality will do is create tools for immoral justification.
Exactly, there were 15 people who stood by and observed a 2 hour rape. That is different than a riot. One of those people could have left the scene and notified the police. These bystanders committed a crime and were accessory to rape. The fact that some people don't understand this concept is a fine example of Social Darwinism.
Didn't the Middle East solve this kind of problem by just making it part of their religious law.
I tell ya, America just can't seem to get a handle on sex and violence.
Watch how some conservatives will say she asked for it and then say she must continue with the pregnancy if she is indeed pregnant.
The people who stood by and watched should be punished as severely as the people who did the actual act.
There is NO EXCUSE for this.
This is completely uncalled for. I don't know ANY conservative that would ever suggest that she "asked for it" that is just a disgusting thing to say and associate with conservatives.
That being said all whether they actually participated or just watched should be prosecuted. I am not sure what the hell has happen to kids but I do think it has a lot to do with them not being raised with morals, values and respect for human life in general and that falls squarely on the parents.
I can not believe it, I really can not. How can someone watch this assault for two hours?
2 weeks ago another group of 15 year olds set that boy on fire and burnt him badly. What's just wrong with teens these days? We need harsher punishments for teens. This can't continue. There's nothing they can do to punish the bystanders. Should that change? Should you be able to punish someone for watching a crime ( and do nothing ) ? I say - hell yes!
They need to throw them all in jail for a very, very long time.
Yeah they should be charged , all they did was stand around to see a (Live Violent Rape Porno) anyways....so charge them.
That is exactly the problem. I was raised to respect and obey my parents. Even now (as an adult) I fear not obeying them.
The result? My college professors now state that I was raised well and respectful. Many of my friends parents want me to be around their child more. I hardly swear and am excelling in school versus video games. I work and am saving money unlike many people my age.
Kids should be safe at school. No doubt about it. This thing does make me kinda scared about being a high school teacher.
I agree. 100 percent with you here. For once!
I think there should be paddling in schools. No doubt about it. You graduated from high school 59 years ago? I graduated 3 years ago and I will tell you that I have never seen kids so disrespectful.
I am going for teaching. Two years ago, I went to student teach at my old elementary school. I could NOT BELIEVE for the LIFE of me what these fifth and sixth graders were talking about.
"Yeah..she was so good in bed. Mmm....you on weed?"
I did not even know what sex was until grade six/seven!!
I used to get smacked if I told my parents shut up. That was the only time I said it at the age of ten. Students today have no respect for the professors or teachers. They just think that teachers/professors are getting in the way of partying or doing nothing.
Where is the need to study? Where is the need to get up and MAKE YOUR LIFE? I have been working since I was fifteen unlike many people my age.
This liberal wants her successful teaching career.
# years out of high school? wow, time do fly. I'm ridin' up fast on 30 years out of high school, and NOTHING like this would have gone down without someone having done something to stop it. My senior year, we had a little creep go after a girl with a knife one day. I remember it well. The kid was a relocation type, expelled from every place he had ever been. The girl rejected his advances, he flipped out. I heard her scream, turned around and saw him chasing her across the quad. Didn't see the knife, till I was on him. He went to jail with a broken arm, long story short. Anyone else would have done the same thing. That was 1983, have things changed so much that kids could WATCH something like this rape go down and do NOTHING?! Like I said, I'd rather get hurt or killed myself than live with myself for doing nothing in such a situation. What has happened to our youth? Our society? I flat don't get it, at all.
You raise people with morality, you do not legislate it. Otherwise, what purpose does the separation of church and state exist for if we are to allow legislated morality to dictate principals of action and conduct?
I am not saying it is right "not to help", but to make it an criminal violation is no different than enforcing servitude of religious doctrine on the people. What should be is that socially people are looked down on for not being of that nature. It should also be nurtured and encouraged parenting and schooling, yet it should always remain a choice.
All legislating morality will do is create tools for immoral justification.
Good point. Good Samaritan laws cover a variety of situations though, it would be disasterous to repeal them all.
Accessory is described generally as after or before the fact in describing prior knowledge of the incident to which the person aided and abetted another who committed the crime.
That isn't true. Accessory means abetting or aiding a crime. It doesn't have to be before or after the crime.
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Bystanders are a special case and the issue of bystanders not helping another isn't new to law enforcement. It is quite a common occurrence even in past history.
A bystander observing a shooting or a robberty and a person who stands for 2 hours observing a rape are different. The latter can be considered a participant. As someone already mentioned, there was a film based on a similar event. It was called the Accused starring Jodie Foster and it was based on a real life event in which the observers were prosecuted and found guilty.
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They can not be charged with a crime unless they aided those committing the crime or interfered with the police or another reporting it.
It can be argued they aided the crime by cheering on or supporting the rape.
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Some states have special case laws for this, but it is dependent on each state. Basically, a person can not be charged with failure to help another when that action may endanger their own life in doing so.
Leaving the scene and notifying the police is not the same as trying to stop a perpetrator at the scene.
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The tricky issue is those not reporting such an incident in progress and to be honest, this is very difficult to prove in a court of law as the defense for ones "fear for life" is subjectively argued.
Not really, the only tricky thing is identifying and confirming the people at the scene of the crime. If they can do that, they can argue why the people didn't leave the scene and why the stood for 2 hours observing the crime.
IMHO, anyone who stands by and does nothing while a crime goes down is a coward. Anyone who stands by and allows a crime like this to happen is a coward and much worse. I would rather risk death or great bodily harm myself than have to look at myself in the mirror after watching a young girl, or anyone, be brutalized, while no doubt begging for someone to help, and not having lifted a finger to give that help. Yes, these bystanders are just as guilty as the perps, in my eyes. They are vermin of the lowest order. What has happened to people? This is disgusting, and boils me over.
you cannot tell me that not one of those teenagers didn't have a cellphone and could have made a call to 911 .. oh wait, those sickos were probably filming it or taking snapshots.
Can we not make this into another liberal/conservative bashing thread?
Anyway, one of the things I've noticed is that in almost every article the police officer is saying the girl willingly went with them because she knew one of the guys...I'm not saying in ANY way that she deserved this but people have to speak to their kids, epsecially their daughters about choices and placing yourself in a dangerous situations.
I wonder how long her dad waited around before they started searching for her.
Excellent!!! I know my mother and father taught me to ALWAYS be cautions even if it was someone I knew. My mom talked to me about things like this at an early age and it keep me from making some really dumb choices. Also though we need to teach our sons that when a woman says no it means no and that you do NOT sit back and EVER watch something like this. To many boys are raised with the "boys will be boys" mentality and that needs to stop.
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Yeah They Should Be Charged.................
