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Old 10-28-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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Wouldn't someone who held these views be more likely a libertarian?
The Government forcing a woman to carry out an unwanted 1st trimester pregnancy is an issue a good Libertarian can get behind?

This is the US definition of Libertarianism we are talking about here?
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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You should consider coming over to the Demcorats. The left side of the this Party shares Ron Paul's libertarian views on military intervention and civil liberties. The Blue Dog faction shares your views on fiscal Conservatism.
The truth is I'm much more conservative than I let on.

1. I believe in gun owner rights. I own a gun
2. I believe in prayer in school and that students should have the right to pray in school regardless of their faith
3. I believe in an aggressive military and defense spending
4. I believe in cutting taxes
5. I don't believe in affirmative action at the graduate school level but do support it at the undergraduate level
6. I don't support a Public Option or government controlling healthcare
7. I don't have a problem with schools teaching creationism in addition to evolution
8. I believe in tort reform in general
9. I like Sean Hannity
10. I believe in strict immigration laws and enforcement in addition to punishing companies who hire ilegals. If I had my way, I would build a great wall of USA on the U.S.-Mexico border
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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The Government forcing a woman to carry out an unwanted 1st trimester pregnancy is an issue a good Libertarian can get behind?

This is the US definition of Libertarianism we are talking about here?
forcing? The OP was talking about choice. Meaning a right, not an obligation...
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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I define my political philosophy by, largely, the following tenets:

1. Keep the government out of our lives to an extent that is feasible/logical.
2. Being as fiscally responsible as possible.

I guess this falls within Liberterian philosophy. I believe homosexuals have a right to marry because the government has no business telling them they can't. This is the same reason I believe people have a right to own guns or have abortions, despite that I find it reprehensible that abortion is too often used as a form of birth control to fix someone's egregious irresponsibility, which of course is partly the fault of flawed abstinence only education. I believe drugs such as marijuana should be legal, as alcohol is, because the government has no business outlawing it and because the flawed war on drugs is a money sink.

I can say I agree with all 10 of your requirements. With regard to a number of them, it's easy to say that fringe elements and extremism are dangerous and promote nothing other than discord, serving only the purpose of holding back society. Glenn Beck fits nicely into this category, as do a number of people in the religious right looking to impose their beliefs on other people via legislation.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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Wow, it's really shocking that I can't get one Republican besides myself not to agree with the first 5 criteria. It just reinforces my belief this forum is full of extremists. Then again, I shouldn't be suprised because people who are more level headed and centrist typically don't post on these forums.
The Republican party was hijacked by the religious right in the 80's and more recently by the talk-radio types who appeal to the lowest common denominator to keep their ratings up. I think your party has gone off and left you.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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I couldn't detach evangelicalism from Reagan, but that is probably a moot point. Most of your questions are looking for libertarianism (a social concept) within the republican party, not necessarily conservatism (an economic concept).
Sorry, but conservatism is not an economic concept. It is social and economic.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10

4 and 6 are still controversial in my mind. I'm not a birther, but I don't think that Obama has been fully transparent to the extent that he could be. I abhor abortion, but I won't say there is NEVER a reason for abortion.

You'll never get me to agree with 7.
I actually have the same list. As far as #7, I have no real problem with the concept of marriage between homosexuals; I just wish we could call it something else (keep "civil union"?). I'm old-fashioned enough to prefer the term "marriage" as something between man and woman. Semantics only, I know.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Just curious but are there any conservative Republicans who do not consider themselves on the far right? It seems like most of the Republicans and Conservatives on this forum are to the far right. Are there are any Republicans who support fiscal policy, less govt. and individual responsibilty yet oppose Evangelicalism and extreme anti-Obama views? By extreme anti-Obama views, I'm not suggesting one can't oppose and disagree with the President on issues; I was just referring to the "Obama is a racist" etc views. I would respectfully ask only those who identify with the criteria below to respond. My intent isn't to start a war with those on the far right. We can politely agree to disagree. Nonetheless, I would just like to hear from those moderate to centrist Republicans if there are any on this forum.

For example are there are any Republicans on this forum that meet all of the criteria below

1. They don't think Obama is a racist
2. They don't think Obama is a socialist
3. They don't think Obama is a communist
4. They don't think Obama was born outside the United States
5. They don't think Obama is secretly a Muslim and supporter of Terrorists
6. They believe in a woman's right to choose regardless of their personal feelings on abortion
7. They are not against Gay rights to marry (regardless of how they personally and religiously feel about homosexuality)
8. They can relate more to Bill O'reilly than Glenn Beck
9. They do not identify themselves as Conservative Christians, Evangelicals or supporters of the Christian Coalition despite their faith being Christian.
10. They don't see liberalism as a curse but rather a philosophy they disagree with.
The problem is that vast majority of conservatives/republicans feel that they always have to speak in one voice (agree or not), and that includes agreeing with most or all 10 points above (that Obama is muslim, socialist, communist etc, etc). It's a shame, but it is what it is. If you disagree with even one point, you are accused of being a RINO, and a bad republican or not a republican/conservative at all. They love to apply the scare/pressure tactics not only to their opponents, but also to their own members.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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Just curious but are there any conservative Republicans who do not consider themselves on the far right? It seems like most of the Republicans and Conservatives on this forum are to the far right. Are there are any Republicans who support fiscal policy, less govt. and individual responsibilty yet oppose Evangelicalism and extreme anti-Obama views? By extreme anti-Obama views, I'm not suggesting one can't oppose and disagree with the President on issues; I was just referring to the "Obama is a racist" etc views. I would respectfully ask only those who identify with the criteria below to respond. My intent isn't to start a war with those on the far right. We can politely agree to disagree. Nonetheless, I would just like to hear from those moderate to centrist Republicans if there are any on this forum.

For example are there are any Republicans on this forum that meet all of the criteria below

1. They don't think Obama is a racist
2. They don't think Obama is a socialist
3. They don't think Obama is a communist
4. They don't think Obama was born outside the United States
5. They don't think Obama is secretly a Muslim and supporter of Terrorists
6. They believe in a woman's right to choose regardless of their personal feelings on abortion
7. They are not against Gay rights to marry (regardless of how they personally and religiously feel about homosexuality)
8. They can relate more to Bill O'reilly than Glenn Beck
9. They do not identify themselves as Conservative Christians, Evangelicals or supporters of the Christian Coalition despite their faith being Christian.
10. They don't see liberalism as a curse but rather a philosophy they disagree with.
I don't classify myself as a Republican (I'm an independent), but for the sake of the exercise I'll say:
I agree with:1,2,3,4,5, mixed feelings on 6 depending on several factors, on 7 I'm in favor of civil unions, agree with 8, 9, and 10.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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I define my political philosophy by, largely, the following tenets:

1. Keep the government out of our lives to an extent that is feasible/logical.
2. Being as fiscally responsible as possible.

I guess this falls within Liberterian philosophy. I believe homosexuals have a right to marry because the government has no business telling them they can't. This is the same reason I believe people have a right to own guns or have abortions, despite that I find it reprehensible that abortion is too often used as a form of birth control to fix someone's egregious irresponsibility, which of course is partly the fault of flawed abstinence only education. I believe drugs such as marijuana should be legal, as alcohol is, because the government has no business outlawing it and because the flawed war on drugs is a money sink.

I can say I agree with all 10 of your requirements. With regard to a number of them, it's easy to say that fringe elements and extremism are dangerous and promote nothing other than discord, serving only the purpose of holding back society. Glenn Beck fits nicely into this category, as do a number of people in the religious right looking to impose their beliefs on other people via legislation.
Yes today, people will specifically refer to these as Libertarian ideas but the Republican party espoused them over 20 years ago. The Evangelicals hijacked the party and many Republicans left to become Democrats. This is why the media will refer to Reagan Democrats as those former Republicans who left the party when the Evangelicals took over and when Republicans started excessive social spending
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