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I know this UFC crap isn't real life. You kill someone in a match, you'd be just as guilty of murder. But they don't fight to the death, do they?
As usual, when this subject comes up, you just spin in circles. The point that I originally made, you later opted. No, of course you don't fight to the death...but your original statement was that no one ever gets permanently injured (mentally or physically) or killed in sanctioned matches. Sure, deaths are rare, but they have happened. Permanent physical or mentally disability as time goes on, it not so uncommon.
Also, one would not be guilty of murder under the circumstances (unless they obviously broke the rules) because both parties consented ahead of time to the potential consequences.
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It takes no special skill--just developing what you are already capable of from birth. You choose not to develop it, that's YOUR problem.
So what is your point? That those who choose to have the option of being armed do not also develop other skills? And BTW -- generally speaking -- a 100 pound woman, or an elderly person (to repeat for the umpteenth time) is not going to be physically capable (no matter how they develop certain skills) of handling some young 200 pound thug who -- common sense should dictate -- knows the "art" of overpowering his victim. Or may be armed themselves.
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I don't know that I have ANY kind of rep. I am peaceful, but I will also defend myself. I suppose it shows in the way I carry myself. Are you a hunter...or prey? I'm not willing to be prey, and it shows.
LMAO Yeah, yeah, I know. You constantly tell everyone how you are a force to be reckoned with (anyone who can strangle -- with their bare hands -- two large attack dogs MUST be! ). Maybe you are. I do know though, that truly tough guys don't go around talking about how bad they are. This seems to be a central point of all your posts on the subject.
And by the way, the fact some of us choose to arm ourselves to protect our lives and safety and those of our loved ones (and property if need be) are not willing to be prey either. That should stand to reason. We will use the amount of force necessary to deter the attack or violation. If that can be done bare-handed, then all the better. But if it can't be -- and only the individual knows what should be done when it counts -- then, again, better to have the "next-step means" and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Finally, I am still wondering why you say folks run from you. Why would they need to take off if you are such a peaceful man? Or, are they all "bad guys" who have made the mistake of attempting to rob/mug/assault you in the past and now know the error of their ways? I am just curious.
To save their lives,
to protect them from crime,
to assist them in building a brave,energetic,dynamic character,
to assist them in having a better quality of life,free of fear,intimidation,insecurity...
To save their lives,
to protect them from crime,
to assist them in building a brave,energetic,dynamic character,
to assist them in having a better quality of life,free of fear,intimidation,insecurity...
Truthfully, I see no need to 'convert' anyone. If someone is happy and feels no need to be armed, fine. It is a matter of personal choice at the end of the day, and everyones situation is different. Wildly so more often than not. I get to leave CA behind me today, and return to my own life, and plan on heading out to thin the coyotes first thing tomorrow morning, and will place my rifle back in the seat scabbard of my truck as soon as I pull in my driveway, and put my CCW, which is useless in CA, right back in my wallet and my carry gun right back in it's holster on my hip.
To save their lives,
to protect them from crime,
to assist them in building a brave,energetic,dynamic character,
to assist them in having a better quality of life,free of fear,intimidation,insecurity...
Good Lord - you really believe that a person MUST own and carry a gun to have those things? How sad.
I'm not ruling out gun ownership in the future - it's great to have that option available. But I live today as I have lived for all of my 57 years - free of fear, intimidation, and insecurity.
However, perhaps you have put your finger on one of the reasons that some people feel the need to own and carry a handgun - that without it, they would live in fear. If owning and carrying a handgun helps relieve that fear, that's fine. I don't believe that anyone should live in fear.
I don't have the fear to begin with, and I suspect that is true of many non-gun-owners. So there's no need to try and convert me.
(As an aside ... if somehow everyone was required to have a gun, I'd opt for an M-16 rather than a handgun. It's the only weapon I've ever used that I felt really comfortable with.)
As an aside ... if somehow everyone was required to have a gun, I'd opt for an M-16 rather than a handgun. It's the only weapon I've ever used that I felt really comfortable with.
You must admit though, it is a lot easier to carry a handgun, concealed, into a mall or a movie theatre -
I always carry a side arm when I'm in the bush as back-up. Whether I'm fishing, hunting, or just hiking/camping, I am always armed. In Alaska one can carry a concealed weapon without a Concealed Carry Permit. My "camp gun" is a Mossberg 12-gauge, but I am not always carrying the shotgun. Which is why I always carry a handgun for back-up when I cannot get to my camp gun in time.
As usual, when this subject comes up, you just spin in circles. The point that I originally made, you later opted. No, of course you don't fight to the death...but your original statement was that no one ever gets permanently injured (mentally or physically) or killed in sanctioned matches. Sure, deaths are rare, but they have happened. Permanent physical or mentally disability as time goes on, it not so uncommon.
Also, one would not be guilty of murder under the circumstances (unless they obviously broke the rules) because both parties consented ahead of time to the potential consequences.
But in real life, death may be the outcome. If someone is trying to kill me, don't I have the right to prevent that? Fighting is about survival, not random enjoyment.
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So what is your point? That those who choose to have the option of being armed do not also develop other skills? And BTW -- generally speaking -- a 100 pound woman, or an elderly person (to repeat for the umpteenth time) is not going to be physically capable (no matter how they develop certain skills) of handling some young 200 pound thug who -- common sense should dictate -- knows the "art" of overpowering his victim. Or may be armed themselves.
How much do you suppose I weigh? I've bested one guy that weighed 250. He's the guy I walked out my door in a headlock.
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LMAO Yeah, yeah, I know. You constantly tell everyone how you are a force to be reckoned with (anyone who can strangle -- with their bare hands -- two large attack dogs MUST be! ). Maybe you are. I do know though, that truly tough guys don't go around talking about how bad they are. This seems to be a central point of all your posts on the subject.
Only to provide the opposing point of view. That it is indeed possible to defend oneself without a weapon of any sort.
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Finally, I am still wondering why you say folks run from you. Why would they need to take off if you are such a peaceful man? Or, are they all "bad guys" who have made the mistake of attempting to rob/mug/assault you in the past and now know the error of their ways? I am just curious.
Don't know, don't care. I don't do anything to people, but I must give off a vibe. I don't really care about other people to begin with.
But in real life, death may be the outcome. If someone is trying to kill me, don't I have the right to prevent that? Fighting is about survival, not random enjoyment.
Oh gawd. THAT was MY original point. Which is why some choose to carry a handgun. Because those who may attack are not going to follow rules of the ring. Go back and read over them. Or then again, don't. I think those who have followed the exchange already have, and know how to score it.
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How much do you suppose I weigh? I've bested one guy that weighed 250. He's the guy I walked out my door in a headlock.
What does how much you weigh have to do with anything brought up as to the capabilites of others?
As to this latest story though, was this before or after you killed the two attacking dogs with your bare hands? Or flipped three muggers all over hell and half of Georgia?
You sure don't lead a boring life, do you?
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Only to provide the opposing point of view. That it is indeed possible to defend oneself without a weapon of any sort.
So who doubts that? Depends on the circumstances...and the parties involved. And the intention of the assailant.
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Don't know, don't care. I don't do anything to people, but I must give off a vibe. I don't really care about other people to begin with.
Yeah, maybe that is it. I should have thought of it before. A certain "vibe" that causes others to turn tail and run as they see you approach. Sorry, but for some reason I can't help but think of that old "western" song by Gene Pitney, "Liberty Valance" (was later a movie with John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart):
"When Liberty Valance rode to town the womenfolk would hide, they'd hide
When Liberty Valance walked around the men would step aside..."
I never claimed to flip three muggers around--anywhere. That's not a claim I've made. And the dogs? I didn't say there were at the same time. I've killed two dogs that attacked me, and I've killed my own dog for being too aggressive with others. Animals must know their proper place beneath us humans.
you asked why someone of my "abilities" didn't join up with the UFC or something like it.
Those fights are not a matter of life or death. The only fights I engage in ARE.
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). Maybe you are. I do know though, that truly tough guys don't go around talking about how bad they are. This seems to be a central point of all your posts on the subject. 
THAT was MY original point. Which is why some choose to carry a handgun. Because those who may attack are not going to follow rules of the ring. Go back and read over them. Or then again, don't. I think those who have followed the exchange already have, and know how to score it. 
