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Old 09-20-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend View Post
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I love the ideal of universal health care.
There's a problem - it's not a right.
Government has criminalized or restricted access to medical care and medicine.
You can only buy and sell care and medicine, by government's permission and licensing.

How about this:
UNIVERSAL health care means everyone can care for anyone - you exercise free choice.
[] Decriminalize giving health care;
[] Decriminalize the trade and possession of medicine and equipment;
[] Expand opportunities for medical education;
[] Offer credentials (not licenses) by supervised examination, regardless of where or how one learned medicine - including apprenticeships;
[] The only government function is to be a credential bank available to the public; and
[] Eliminate tort abuse with "Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!" - and nothing more.

1.Care to explain? Maybe you mean when Bush blocked Canadian drug imports to protect big pharma's profits?
2. Including medical marijuana, right?
3. You mean more funding for higher education?
4. Sure... malpractice resulting in permanent complications or death can be fixed by just giving the money back.
1. Decriminalization means what it says. No longer a crime to treat another human being. However, if you do deliberate harm, you're liable. UHC requires government to get out of the way. And without government's intrusion "Big Pharma" profit margins would disappear, because control imposes scarcity and high prices.
2. Please read the law that prohibits possession of marijuana, and see if you can determine how it applies to free people who are not "persons liable". (The servant cannot forbid the master)
3. No government funding of education. {Didn't you read it carefully?}
4. Malpractice is a misnomer. The license to practice medicine is a license to commit manslaughter - as long as the physician adheres to the established practices of his profession. He may cause pain and suffering and death, without criminal liability. And therefore he will NOT attempt anything outside of his "approved treatment" regimen. In retaliation, injured parties clamored to use the civil courts to "punish" physicians, and thus we have the litigation monster today. (The only real winners are the attorneys)
No physician "cures" his patient. The patient cures himself, helped or hindered by the treatment he receives.

 
Old 10-05-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Yes I do, and it's absurd.
Well then on that we can at least agree.

And this, in particular is also something I agree with.

"This video from CNN takes a look at Walker Jones Education Campus' new half-acre farm sprouting up on the corner of K and New Jersey Avenue in Washington D.C. With the help of chef John Cochran, students of the elementary and junior high school are getting to experience and appreciate real food in an outdoor classroom environment.

While Congress is down the street crafting the nation's policies, Walker Jones' farm is teaching the future of the country the skills needed to grow a sustainable, healthy America."
 
Old 10-05-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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tax all products un-nutritiously high in processed sugar, sodium, fructose corn syrup; tax McDonald's, Dominoes, BK and all the fast food chains; slap a big fat juicy tax on the firearms industry; and for good measure the producers and users of pollutants in our environment.

Cost of universal health care solved.

There is another glaring example that the myth of capitalism and free markets is really a sham.

This industry is actually oligopoly that begs for and receives government bailouts. Why doesn't any scream and shout about these corporate welfare queens milking the system out of tax payer money?

There shenanigans have a direct impact on the nation's health.

Those that make statements about national security should investigate the posted links.
FDA and USDA should be under Homeland Security, then maybe everyone would finally take the toxic garbage in our food, water, medicines and vaccines seriously.
 
Old 10-05-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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How about you purchase your own health care?

Think I'll go grab a Ho-Ho and a Yoohoo ....
 
Old 10-05-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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How about you purchase your own health care?

Think I'll go grab a Ho-Ho and a Yoohoo ....
So you want us to pay BOTH for your poor health lifestyle AND pay the profiteers of corporate insurance too?
Because you don't really think the corporate insurance shareholders will absorb your extra health care costs , do you
 
Old 10-05-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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So you want us to pay BOTH for your poor health lifestyle AND pay the profiteers of corporate insurance too?
Because you don't really think the corporate insurance shareholders will absorb your extra health care costs , do you
I purchase my own health care, have had insurance for years. The profiters have done all right by me so far. And they've not registered one whine about the Ho-Hos, nor the fat-dripping cheeseburgers someone else was planning on for dinner.

Shame the same can't be said about busybody liberals.



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Old 10-10-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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paying for healthcare for all people is the right thing to do. Just drop the space program for a year and you'd have healthcare for everyone for years and years.
 
Old 10-11-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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paying for healthcare for all people is the right thing to do. Just drop the space program for a year and you'd have healthcare for everyone for years and years.

And providing for food for all people is also the right thing to do. Of course, we mustn't leave out transportation. It's the right thing to do to make sure everyone has a car to get to where they need to go -- and the gas to get them there.

Oh, and let's not forget a roof over their heads. Everyone has a right to decent shelter, and heat and air conditioning where weather warrants it.

If we did all that, we wouldn't have our present worries about jobs, would we. What a solution!

I've probably forgotten a few "rights" but I'm sure someone will be able to fill them in.

If we viewed the filling of basic needs as rights instead of priviledges, we wouldn't ever have any people in need of anything. Right?



 
Old 10-11-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by aspiesmom View Post
FDA and USDA should be under Homeland Security, then maybe everyone would finally take the toxic garbage in our food, water, medicines and vaccines seriously.
The FDA and USDA used to look out for the public's health.

Then they started dating Corporations.


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Old 12-27-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Great discussion about local initiatives aimed at democratizing and decentralizing our food system.

McNally is da man!!

"There are now 8000 farm to school programs across the US. Eight years ago there were only 4. There are now 6000 farmers' markets in the US three times as many as in 1995. 330 hospitals in the US and Canada have pledged to purchase food that is grown according to Fair Food principles.

In recent years a number of books and films have documented the dangers of our current food system, and a number of those have been featured on Free forum. Just as you can't alter the course of climate change by simply switching to efficient light bulbs, today's guests believe that you can't fix the broken food system by simply growing a backyard garden. It requires redesigning our food.

My second guest LEILA CONNERS, a founder of Tree Media in Santa Monica, is a producer of URBAN ROOTS, a documentary on the food revolution taking place in Detroit. Directed by Detroit-native Mark McInnis the film tells the powerful story of a group of dedicated Detroiters working tirelessly to fulfill their vision for locally-grown, sustainably farmed food"
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