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Old 12-27-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kovert View Post
tax all products un-nutritiously high in processed sugar, sodium, fructose corn syrup; tax McDonald's, Dominoes, BK and all the fast food chains; slap a big fat juicy tax on the firearms industry; and for good measure the producers and users of pollutants in our environment.

Cost of universal health care solved.
Just pointing out...health care in America right now is 18 % of GDP. Other first world nations with UHC average 9 %. Economically, America would be expected to be cheaper due to the huge advantage of size.

(The military budget is 4,7 % of GDP)

And the most expensive patient groups already have UHC, through medicare and medicaid. Only the people paying for it are left uncovered. Americans actually pay more towards health care in taxes than Swedes, Canadians, Japanese, British, etc.

A UHC system like other nations have is expected to save about twice the military budget each year. Not be an expense.

 
Old 12-27-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Originally Posted by kovert View Post
tax all products un-nutritiously high in processed sugar, sodium, fructose corn syrup; tax McDonald's, Dominoes, BK and all the fast food chains; slap a big fat juicy tax on the firearms industry; and for good measure the producers and users of pollutants in our environment.

Cost of universal health care solved.

There is another glaring example that the myth of capitalism and free markets is really a sham.

This industry is actually oligopoly that begs for and receives government bailouts. Why doesn't any scream and shout about these corporate welfare queens milking the system out of tax payer money?

There shenanigans have a direct impact on the nation's health.

Those that make statements about national security should investigate the posted links.
Let's take it a step further, let's tax everything unhealthy. If you own a car over 20 years old, it's probably a gas guzzler polluting our air. Let's tax all care over 20 years old extra. And OMG, someone has a wood stove and burns wood or coal for heat in their home.. TAX it!.

And OMG, everyone who leaves lights on in their home when they aren't home, (including all those harmful christmas lights), is burning electricity needlessly, and causing the electric companies to produce more electricity and harm the environment, let's turn in our neighbors for leaving their lights on..

Then it's going to be every family who has more than 2 kids are being greedy and will have to pay more in taxes, and z'omg! if you have a big house, you are being greedy and will have to pay triple taxes...

I have a better idea. Get the government out of the health care business, if you want health care, get a job, and pay for it.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by kovert View Post
tax all products un-nutritiously high in processed sugar, sodium, fructose corn syrup; tax McDonald's, Dominoes, BK and all the fast food chains; slap a big fat juicy tax on the firearms industry; and for good measure the producers and users of pollutants in our environment.

Cost of universal health care solved.

There is another glaring example that the myth of capitalism and free markets is really a sham.

This industry is actually oligopoly that begs for and receives government bailouts. Why doesn't any scream and shout about these corporate welfare queens milking the system out of tax payer money?

There shenanigans have a direct impact on the nation's health.

Those that make statements about national security should investigate the posted links.
Typical, giving more power and authority, and more of our money to politicians and bureaucrats is the liberals answer for everything.

Eating pizza or big Macs is not unhealthy, any more then living off lettuce, celery, and carrots is a healthy diet.

BTW, we already let government decide which diet was healthy, and they came out with their high carbohydrate food pyramid, so the entire nation followed it, then a few generations later the and we all got fat.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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Let's take it a step further, let's tax everything unhealthy. If you own a car over 20 years old, it's probably a gas guzzler polluting our air. Let's tax all care over 20 years old extra. And OMG, someone has a wood stove and burns wood or coal for heat in their home.. TAX it!.

And OMG, everyone who leaves lights on in their home when they aren't home, (including all those harmful christmas lights), is burning electricity needlessly, and causing the electric companies to produce more electricity and harm the environment, let's turn in our neighbors for leaving their lights on..

Then it's going to be every family who has more than 2 kids are being greedy and will have to pay more in taxes, and z'omg! if you have a big house, you are being greedy and will have to pay triple taxes...

I have a better idea. Get the government out of the health care business, if you want health care, get a job, and pay for it.
Tax computer and video games, they are unhealthy because the kids are not out playing in the outdoors. Then we can tax surf boards, roller blades, hiking boots, bicycles, sports equipment, etc... because active people have injuries and drive up medical costs.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 03:37 PM
 
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Typical, giving more power and authority, and more of our money to politicians and bureaucrats is the liberals answer for everything.

Eating pizza or big Macs is not unhealthy, any more then living off lettuce, celery, and carrots is a healthy diet.

BTW, we already let government decide which diet was healthy, and they came out with their high carbohydrate food pyramid, so the entire nation followed it, then a few generations later the and we all got fat.
The typical crackhead way of replying to a post is to make crackhead comments before actually reading the threads' posts. Of course thiis implies the crackhead actually possesses adequate reading comprehension ability in the 1st place. FUCU, you should quit while you're ahead.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Just pointing out...health care in America right now is 18 % of GDP. Other first world nations with UHC average 9 %. Economically, America would be expected to be cheaper due to the huge advantage of size.

(The military budget is 4,7 % of GDP)

And the most expensive patient groups already have UHC, through medicare and medicaid. Only the people paying for it are left uncovered. Americans actually pay more towards health care in taxes than Swedes, Canadians, Japanese, British, etc.

A UHC system like other nations have is expected to save about twice the military budget each year. Not be an expense.
Exactly...UHC would pay for itself, and there would be money left over...No extra taxes would be needed...The only down side, and the biggest problem I see, is what do you do with the existing private insurance companies, their stock holders and the thousands of employees of the private insurance companies who who be out of work?
 
Old 05-31-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Typical, giving more power and authority, and more of our money to politicians and bureaucrats is the liberals answer for everything.

Eating pizza or big Macs is not unhealthy, any more then living off lettuce, celery, and carrots is a healthy diet.

BTW, we already let government decide which diet was healthy, and they came out with their high carbohydrate food pyramid, so the entire nation followed it, then a few generations later the and we all got fat.
So you are now blaming the govt for your poor eating habits?.

I thought you people were against the "nanny state"

You must be delusional to think eating pink slime burgers from McDs is healthy.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 04:55 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Why is the liberal solution for everything to TAX the masses and hand over entitlements to the few?
What few? Everyone would get health care coverage. That's why it's called "universal" health care.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Grim Reader View Post
Just pointing out...health care in America right now is 18 % of GDP. Other first world nations with UHC average 9 %. Economically, America would be expected to be cheaper due to the huge advantage of size.

(The military budget is 4,7 % of GDP)

And the most expensive patient groups already have UHC, through medicare and medicaid. Only the people paying for it are left uncovered. Americans actually pay more towards health care in taxes than Swedes, Canadians, Japanese, British, etc.

A UHC system like other nations have is expected to save about twice the military budget each year. Not be an expense.
You'd think that might actually be the case and then you look at other Federal take-overs like the Dept. of Education and reality smacks you directly in the face and back to the real world.
 
Old 05-31-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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It is illegal in many Single Payer countries to make a profit off of healthcare, that is why so many Western-civilized countries have eliminated healthcare insurance corporations. They have cut out the usury by completely cutting out the middlemen.

A medicare tax for all would be cheaper and more efficient .
Great idea!
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After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund assets in amounts that exceed interest earnings until exhaustion of trust fund reserves in 2033, three years earlier than projected last year.

The Trustees project that the HI Trust Fund will pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures than it receives in income in all future years, as it has since 2008. The projected date of HI Trust Fund exhaustion is 2024

Projected Medicare costs over 75 years are substantially lower than they otherwise would be because of provisions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as amended by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (the "Affordable Care Act" or ACA). Most of the ACA-related cost saving is attributable to a reduction in the annual payment updates for most Medicare services (other than physicians’ services and drugs) by total economy multifactor productivity growth, which the Trustees project will average 1.1 percent per year. The report notes that sustaining these payment reductions indefinitely will require unprecedented efficiency-enhancing innovations in health care payment and delivery systems that are by no means certain. In addition, the Trustees assume an almost 31-percent reduction in Medicare payment rates for physician services will be implemented in 2013 as required by current law, which is also highly uncertain.

What is the Outlook for Future Social Security and Medicare Costs in Relation to GDP? One instructive way to view the projected cost of Social Security and Medicare is to compare the cost of scheduled benefits for the two programs with the gross domestic product (GDP), the most frequently used measure of the total output of the U.S. economy (Chart A). Measured this way, costs for both programs increase substantially through 2035 because: (1) the number of beneficiaries rises rapidly as the baby-boom generation retires; and (2) the lower birth rates that have persisted since the baby boom cause slower growth of the labor force and GDP.

What are the Budgetary Implications of Rising Social Security and Medicare Costs? Concern about the long-range financial outlook for Medicare and Social Security often focuses on the exhaustion dates for the HI and OASDI trust funds—the time when projected trust fund balances under current law would be insufficient to pay the full amounts of scheduled benefits. A more immediate issue is the growing burden that the programs will place on the Federal budget well before exhaustion of the trust funds.
Trustees Report Summary

Oh, shoot, reality hits again. The country is broke and any attempt that you try to make it into more of a welfare state is only going to push it that much quicker to insolvency. Why is this so hard to understand? You folks are being told over and over that this is the case. Do they need to puke, pass-out and die after telling y'all so that you'll finally get it?
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