Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-17-2010, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
38,859 posts, read 25,550,307 times
Reputation: 24780

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua View Post
You sound as though you would believe a man to be guilty of murdering his neighbor simply because he has a gun.

A warm smoking gun would be more convincing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-17-2010, 11:22 AM
 
20,462 posts, read 12,387,859 times
Reputation: 10259
Quote:
Originally Posted by skoro View Post
Not only do the heat engines (internal combustion, turbines, steam) that Old Gringo mentioned release huge amounts of heat into the environment, but many other daily activities do, too.

Your refrigerator runs 24/7 and it releases heat into the environment.

Your furnace (obviously) releases heat into the environment.

Your air conditioner releases heat into the environment.

Most of your electrical appliances (TV, radio, stereo, etc) release heat into the environment.

The power plant that provides the electricity (even if it's nuclear) to run your appliances releases huge amounts of heat into the environment.

A couple of billion motor vehicles running every day release heat from their exhaust and cooling systems into the environment.

Add a few million planes, trains, and ships operating daily. All releasing heat into the environment.

It adds up. Those of you pretending that it has no effect are fooling yourselves or else you're unaware of the reality.

LOL! your funny!

First, in this thread, I outlined exactly what heat polution does. No one is saying that heat polution does not have any effect.

however, NOT ONE AGW scientists has ever tried to make the point that heat polution is part of the AGW equasion.

NOT ONE.

But thanks for playing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-17-2010, 11:23 AM
 
20,462 posts, read 12,387,859 times
Reputation: 10259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boompa View Post
Flat earthers again, they'll all be that way when the FundiMENTAList School boards in Texas get done. The earth is cycling warmer but look at DC, more snow than Buffalo. Vancouver where they are trucking Snow to the Winter Olympics
Vancouver averages less than 12 inches of snow a year...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-17-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
14,483 posts, read 11,287,685 times
Reputation: 9002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
A warm smoking gun would be more convincing.
I reckon.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-17-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
23,861 posts, read 24,119,613 times
Reputation: 15135
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
I'll eleborate a little more, going from my previous post I've come up with the following figures:

  • 1,557,216,591,941,000,000 BTU's per hour is the mount of heat the sun delivers to earth.
  • 41,160,000,000,000,000 BTU's per year from oil consumption in the US.
Since our two biggest produces of heat are oil and coal I'll add the figure in for coal, the US consumes about 1 billion tons per year and each ton is probably about 22 million BTU's per ton.

  • 22,000,000,000,000,000 BTU's produced by coal within one year.
When we combine both figures the total BTU's for coal and oil comes out to 63,160,000,000,000,000 annually. To get a world total I'll throw out what I think is more than a fair figure. Do you think 20X what the US produces in year is fair? Using 20X we get 1,263,200,000,000,000,000 BTU's per year for worlds annual total.

When we divide that into the suns BTU's we come up with a figure of of 1.2.

Within 1.2 hours the sun delivers as many BTU's to the earths surface that us mere humans would produce in 1 year.

Are we beginning to grasp the magnitude of the sun vs, us? Let's suppose that for the last 100 years we produced the same amount of heat that we currently do so we'll get number of 126,320,000,000,000,000,000 for a centuries worth of heat produced by man. If we divide that by the suns BTU's per hour we get a number of 81, or 81 hours.

Even using modern amounts for the entire past century within 81 hours or a little over 3 days the sun delivers just as much heat to the earths surface as that produced by man over the last century.

Keep in mind I'm using some averages here, for example not all the oil we consume is burned and the BTU content number I used is probably way too high because I'm using numbers from a refined product. Obviously the total heat output per year is wrong but I'm pretty sure everything I've used is hugely biased towards more heat from man. I can do that because it's such a paltry amount compared to the sun.

The point of all of this is you might as well suggest a candle could heat up the Superdome.
I just want to point out that in your estimations, you're assuming that all of the stored energy is being converted to heat. In reality, a lot of it is being converted to work energy, thereby reducing the amount of heat generated. This widens the gap between solar heat and human generated heat even further.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2010, 12:45 AM
 
Location: James Island, SC
1,629 posts, read 3,478,107 times
Reputation: 927
Like shooting fish in a barrel... Debunking Lomborg, the Climate-Change Skeptic - Sharon Begley - Newsweek.com
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2010, 06:07 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
16,880 posts, read 15,203,858 times
Reputation: 5240
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Climate change deniers turn themselves inside out trying to convince themselves it isn't real.

if we are deniers, then why are you the ones that changed it from "global warming" to climate change"?

after all, if the temp goes from 40 degrees to 10 below in 1 day like it can here in Wisconsin in 1 day, that can be called climate change.

but it sure as hell isnt global warming.

here we have the head of the global warming and he says that there has been very insignificant global warming in the last 15 years, and you still have people screaming that we are going to die of global warming.

heck, if the planet goes into another ice age, people will be screaming for more global warming.

by the way, our planet is past due for an ice age by a few thousand years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-10-2010, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago
15,586 posts, read 27,626,711 times
Reputation: 1761
Could have posted here.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-10-2010, 12:20 PM
 
9,803 posts, read 16,196,736 times
Reputation: 8266
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Climate change deniers turn themselves inside out trying to convince themselves it isn't real.
And Al Gore admits he exagerated to drive his point home !
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-10-2010, 12:22 PM
 
621 posts, read 1,054,371 times
Reputation: 399
Quote:
Originally Posted by marmac View Post
And Al Gore admits he exagerated to drive his point home !
I believe you mean his "agenda".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:49 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top