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Old 03-08-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Some countries do not have anything like "state's rights" to contain the central government from dictating policy, an unless 0bama plans on wiping out the rights of states, he will not be able to dictate to them from central governmental control.
That is what you may think . . . but any time a federal mandate is passed, that means the states have to comply (when federal $$$ are involved - in other words - ENTITLEMENTS) And if a federal mandate is stricter (or more oppressive) than a state statute, then the federal law has to be followed.

I would hope Governors and State Attorneys General will file suits as indeed, we are not all one state - we are a republic - something this Administration just doesn't seem to "get."

BTW - would someone tell me . . . if we are in such urgent need for that heinous 2700 pp healthcare insurance mandate bill . . . why has all the legislation put an effective date of 2013 or 2014 on it?
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Good point Ani.....I laughed when Obama said we can't wait another year, we can't start over, we need reform NOW.

Psst....Mr. President....the benefits and protections offered in the plan wouldn't be implemented for YEARS. I think we have a bit of time to pass something that will have bipartisan support of Congress and even more importantly....the American people!! And, it could be implemented much sooner.
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Good point Ani.....I laughed when Obama said we can't wait another year, we can't start over, we need reform NOW.

Psst....Mr. President....the benefits and protections offered in the plan wouldn't be implemented for YEARS. I think we have a bit of time to pass something that will have bipartisan support of Congress and even more importantly....the American people!! And, it could be implemented much sooner.
Not true...some of the things in the bill will go into effect this year. Not soon enough for the good of the country. It has been a long time coming , if not now , then when ? Why delay , just because you do not like Dems. ? , or Obama ? Most people do want health care reform , its been cused and discussed for a year now...its time to pass the Bill. !
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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That is what you may think . . . but any time a federal mandate is passed, that means the states have to comply (when federal $$$ are involved - in other words - ENTITLEMENTS) And if a federal mandate is stricter (or more oppressive) than a state statute, then the federal law has to be followed.

I would hope Governors and State Attorneys General will file suits as indeed, we are not all one state - we are a republic - something this Administration just doesn't seem to "get."

BTW - would someone tell me . . . if we are in such urgent need for that heinous 2700 pp healthcare insurance mandate bill . . . why has all the legislation put an effective date of 2013 or 2014 on it?
I would rather see a uniform Health Care for all people in the US. Just because you live across a state line , should you have less access to affordable health care ?... I think not. We are a republic yes , but we are also ..These United States , united together for common cause and the welfare of the people. We fight all the wars, federally , we fund 90 per cent of the highways federally...why not health care...just reduce Social security age, that would be a good start, if you can not agree with a single payer system.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Not true...some of the things in the bill will go into effect this year. Not soon enough for the good of the country. It has been a long time coming , if not now , then when ? Why delay , just because you do not like Dems. ? , or Obama ? Most people do want health care reform , its been cused and discussed for a year now...its time to pass the Bill. !
With billions in Medicare fraud and something like $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities, why do you trust the federal government to expand the fraud waste and debt?

Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Why not discover the underlying reason for high health care costs and resolve them, instead of just papering over them with taxpayer dollars by placing an inept federal government in charge of it all?
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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The Federal Government is NOT the cause of Medicare Fraud.

Greedy, dishonest health care providers who are committing Medicare fraud should be convicted. They are the ones who are stealing taxpayer money and who are abusing the system.

Do you think that if there weren't so many players in the field and if the Federal Government had more of an interest in the situation that they might be able to better target these abuses?

I do.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:31 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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With billions in Medicare fraud and something like $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities, why do you trust the federal government to expand the fraud waste and debt?

Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Why not discover the underlying reason for high health care costs and resolve them, instead of just papering over them with taxpayer dollars by placing an inept federal government in charge of it all?
So you think Medicare fraud is the real problem? ....It must be fixed along with health care for all.....So , what would you do then ? Are you in favor of the Insurance giants making obscene profits on the backs of the Middle Class ?
We need the federal Government to act in our best interest. Granted that has nor always been done. Oversight is the first thing I would address along with Pork add ons, etc. Yes we do need to clean up our Government , but someone does need to be our advocate against Big Business , and all the crooked practices preformed by Wall Street and the Banks. We did have some laws that just got put aside , the past eight years...We do need laws, rules , regulations....so everyone can be put on a level playing field. I encourage open entry in business , but there must be some protections for the Public. Lets all play the game , but not by giving the Fat cats all the cards because they got all the influence in Washington.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Default Wall Street decides your health care..

Wendell Potter was the Cheif Communications Officer for Cigna for 15 years. He should know what he's talking about...

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WENDELL POTTER: Well, these companies are for-profit companies, and they think first and foremost about their shareholders. That's the first stakeholder that they consider. And they know that they have to meet those expectations or their stock prices will suffer. She, Angela Braly, mentioned that she has stock options, so she has the incentive for that stock price to keep going up, because the more it goes up, the more she makes. So that's number one. They're looking after the best interests of the shareholders first, not the best interests of their customers.
Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Wendell Potter was the Cheif Communications Officer for Cigna for 15 years. He should know what he's talking about...



Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS
Good post; Its not just the policy holders , but the People. There is almost no competition in the industry. They are exempt from anti-trust laws along with baseball teams.... There is every reason for these heartless giants to increase costs to policy holders, because they can...... and no one stops them. Even if the Insurance Cos. loose some customers , they will more than make it up with increases to those who are willing to pay , or have no choice.

What the Insurance Industry fears the most is cost containment of premiums. That would weaken their bottom line , stock would go down...and the very top Executives would have to cut back giving themselves huge windfalls.....and...without even the Stockholders having a say.

Its gone too far...we must have change NOW ! Obama gave a great speech today in PA. he was very clear about the issue.
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Old 03-08-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Wendell Potter was the Cheif Communications Officer for Cigna for 15 years. He should know what he's talking about...



Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS
Yes, he should. And yet he grossly misrepresents HDHP/HSA's as does the president. He's either ignorant or simply pushing an agenda, neither of which is beneficial in this debate.
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