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View Poll Results: Are we a Christian nation?
Yes 90 24.26%
No 212 57.14%
To an extent 69 18.60%
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I did.

That whole thing with the founding fathers saying "We are not a Christian Nation" in a legal document kinda seals the deal.
The founding fathers did not write the treaty of tripoli, and it is not a legal document as it was nullified soon after it was written.

 
Old 07-10-2012, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Look up history and see what it says about the foundation of our country.. maybe you will get a clue how it was based on Judeo-Christian principles.. It is NOT AN OPINION.
Don't worry your little head about that. Having studied both history and constitutional law I do not share your confusion about the fundamental principles of our country and framework of government.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Christianity is at he forefront of this Nation. not Islam, nor Hinduism or Buddism .. Today you would never know it.. it has become a secular nation. Even though many Christian holidays are still celebrated, it has become Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and not on the real Christian meaning. We have evolved into a secular nation. These holidays have put materialism as the meaning.

We are looked at by the world as a Christian nation yet that is not true as far as the people of today.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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The founding fathers did not write the treaty of tripoli, and it is not a legal document as it was nullified soon after it was written.
Last I checked, even if they "did not write it", they did agree with it.

As most founding fathers agreed on the principle that religion and government should remain separate. Therefore the nation itself is secular, which is the only truly fair way to have freedom of religion.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Don't worry your little head about that. Having studied both history and constitutional law I do not share your confusion about the fundamental principles of our country and framework of government.
Why is the ten commandments outside of court houses? I don't see a secular list there?
 
Old 07-10-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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We are looked at by the world as a Christian nation
No we aren't.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Last I checked, even if they "did not write it", they did agree with it.

As most founding fathers agreed on the principle that religion and government should remain separate. Therefore the nation itself is secular, which is the only truly fair way to have freedom of religion.
Why does the government recognize Christian holidays over the years? The government entity must have recognized this nation as Christian.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No we aren't.
The middle east sure does.. go ask them!
 
Old 07-10-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The founding fathers did not write the treaty of tripoli, and it is not a legal document as it was nullified soon after it was written.
It doesn't matter, when the premise is based on the ideas they maintained at the time. Do you not agree with Madison's two quotations on the previous page?

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The middle east sure does.. go ask them!
People lacking logic and knowledge are prone to that belief system, there and here.

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Why does the government recognize Christian holidays over the years? The government entity must have recognized this nation as Christian.
Politics dictates that (majority) religion can be a great tool to win, and not to displease the collective. That said, why did you drop "Judeo" when making this argument? Are Judaic holidays not recognized similarly?

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Why is the ten commandments outside of court houses? I don't see a secular list there?
So, your argument is that if one speaks to be a Christian, regardless of the act, he/she is a Christian... just as posting ten commandments (which, are slightly different amongst various sects, BTW) makes these political establishment Christian? If anything, they are a violation of the first amendment in the US Constitution.
 
Old 07-10-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Last I checked, even if they "did not write it", they did agree with it.

As most founding fathers agreed on the principle that religion and government should remain separate. Therefore the nation itself is secular, which is the only truly fair way to have freedom of religion.
the nation has the right to believe or not believe in a god..That has always been.

this nation was founded that every American citizen has certain rights, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights- that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. God is recognized and we have rights to worship as we want.. this nation is not completely secular. If it was there would be No mention of our creator.
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