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Why does the government recognize Christian holidays over the years?
Because the majority of its workers are Christian, therefore it'd only make sense to just go ahead and make the days that they'd all take off anyways nationally recognized holidays.
It doesn't matter, when the premise is based on the ideas they maintained at the time. Do you not agree with Madison's two quotations on the previous page?
People lacking logic and knowledge are prone to that belief system, there and here.
Politics dictates that (majority) religion can be a great tool to win, and not to displease the collective. That said, why did you drop "Judeo" when making this argument? Are Judaic holidays not recognized similarly?
So, your argument is that if one speaks to be a Christian, regardless of the act, he/she is a Christian... just as posting ten commandments (which, are slightly different amongst various sects, BTW) makes these political establishment Christian? If anything, they are a violation of the first amendment in the US Constitution.
the nation has the right to believe or not believe in a god..That has always been.
this nation was founded that every American citizen has certain rights, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights- that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. God is recognized and we have rights to worship as we want.. this nation is not completely secular. If it was there would be No mention of our creator.
Creator doesn't have to point to religion, nor does it point to any specific religion, since multiple religions have "Creators".
That being said, I've no issue with the fact that the majority of people are Christian. People can worship what they want to, as long as it doesn't interfere with others. However, our government was meant to be secular, and it will stay that way. No matter what whiny crybabies think.
the nation has the right to believe or not believe in a god..That has always been.
Not the nation (a nation can't believe... individuals do). And belief in God isn't exclusively "Christian", nor is it expected of the foundation of this country that ALL people must believe without any mutual differences and into the very same entity.
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If you noticed the title thread says Christian..
But not this post of yours...
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Look up history and see what it says about the foundation of our country.. maybe you will get a clue how it was based on Judeo-Christian principles.. It is NOT AN OPINION.
Last I checked, even if they "did not write it", they did agree with it.
As most founding fathers agreed on the principle that religion and government should remain separate. Therefore the nation itself is secular, which is the only truly fair way to have freedom of religion.
How many founding fathers do you think there were "agreeing" with the treaty? The wording on the treaty was intended to assure the Tripolians that we were not about to launch a cvhristian crusade into their lands.
Keeping the religion out of the government does not mean the nation is not a Christian nation. I never argued out government is a Christian government, whatever that would even mean, I have only said we are a Christian nation in the sense that our citizens identiyfy themselves as Christians, and our founding fathers were Christian and we follow Christian traditions.
I say yes. As long as we have a large portion of the country using religion as a valid means of defending their political views, and since the majority of the religious in this country are Christian, we are a Christian nation.
NO...for example we swear on the Bible to uphold our Constitution...NOT the other way around!
How many founding fathers do you think there were "agreeing" with the treaty? The wording on the treaty was intended to assure the Tripolians that we were not about to launch a cvhristian crusade into their lands.
Keeping the religion out of the government does not mean the nation is not a Christian nation. I never argued out government is a Christian government, whatever that would even mean, I have only said we are a Christian nation in the sense that our citizens identiyfy themselves as Christians, and our founding fathers were Christian and we follow Christian traditions.
So would you agree that if in the future a majority of citizens identify themselves as another religion, or no religion at all, then we would describe our country, for example, as a Jewish nation or Muslim nation or atheist nation?
So would you agree that if in the future a majority of citizens identify themselves as another religion, or no religion at all, then we would describe our country, for example, as a Jewish nation or Muslim nation or atheist nation?
Of course. Sweden is an atheist nation as only 20% of their citizens believe there is a god. They used to be a Christian nation, but they are not so any more. It can change here too, and it the trend holds, it might happen sooner than you think. While China, India, Arab countries are experiencing massive conversion to Christianity, the US has been turning its back to it.
Christianity is at he forefront of this Nation. not Islam, nor Hinduism or Buddism .. Today you would never know it.. it has become a secular nation. Even though many Christian holidays are still celebrated, it has become Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and not on the real Christian meaning. We have evolved into a secular nation. These holidays have put materialism as the meaning.
We are looked at by the world as a Christian nation yet that is not true as far as the people of today.
You're wrong! Religious freedom was at the forefront of this nation. That doesn't mean we're all free to celebrate Christianity or various sects of Christianity as long as we're all Christian. It doesn't mean the government acknowledges all sects of Christianity either. What it means is that the government will not persecute me for being an Atheist. It will not persecute you for being a Christian. It won't persecute Muhammad for being a Muslim.
This does not mean that Christians get to accept special privileges, tax benefits, and other perks from the government only to complain when they're taken away. This does not mean that when all the benefits your religion has been swindling from the government for 250 years are finally shut down that you can cry and moan about the destabilization of this country and how it's moving away from its "roots."
I also need to address this issue of "We have evolved into a secular nation. These holidays have put materialism as the meaning."
How freaking odd that is coming from someone of the Christian faith! I look at the Catholic Church, a very mighty organization and probably the ones chiefly responsible for promoting Christmas and Easter in the early Christian days, and I can't help but notice the elaborate museum-like structures at the Vatican - the only sovereign religious state in the world. The fact that the cardinals and bishops wear giant crosses around their neck made of gold and jewels does not give one privilege to complain about materialism from an increasingly secular nation. And if you're not Catholic, then look elsewhere in the U.S. to see the giant, gaudy megachurches you "humble" Christians have built across the land free of taxation and with absolutely no public objection. And the dumb lemmings and sheep who pull into the giant parking center of these megachurches on Sundays with their Mercedes Benz's and Cadillac's all to promote the humble teachings of Christ? You people are so hypocritical.
But, then you're going to complain about an increasingly secular nation obsessed with materialism. I have news for you. The greedy, hypocritical, and self-absorbed followers of Christianity have promoted the materialism you so despise for many more centuries than any secular person has in recent years. Look inward toward your own religion and your own hypocritical sheep before you project your inner hatred outward. Perhaps when you realize the hypocrisy and hatred that stems from your own "Christian Country" then you'll realize precisely why there's such a movement of objection towards having any more of this brain-washing, ridiculous nonsense interfere with our government and our political progress!
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