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Watching CSPAN and the "debate". Not really a debate going on, just sound and video bites from both sides. Obviously to be used for the next election campaign. Just a preview of the tons of upcoming ads. Wake me when they do a vote.
Yeah..I turned it off myself. Watched the vote for debate part and then said..ok, enough for now.
Yep. All the Republicans went and danced around like a bunch of fairies because Obama "couldn't get anything done" and now he's going to turn around and jam this down their collective throats.
I love it.
Yup.
Not quite there yet - but assuming the Senate passes it then...
To the ardent liberal, Obama's health care plan is a shadow of what should have been, sapped by dispiriting downsizing and trade-offs.
To the loud foe on the right, it is a dreadful expansion of the nanny state.
To history, it is likely to be judged alongside the boldest acts of presidents and Congress in the pantheon of domestic affairs. Think of the guaranteed federal pensions of Social Security, socialized medicine for the old and poor, the civil rights remedies to inequality.
Actually I use VA because it provides excellent care, equally as good as I experienced in private care facilities. VA also costs less than using private care thru Medicare Advantage. I do use the Advantage plan for prescriptions, as there is 0 copay for my particular needs. My primary VA doctor has immediate access to any tests and labs I have, she evaluates them and advises what drugs I may need. I get hard copy of all VA reports, provide that to my private primary doctor. He reviews my VA doctors assessments, and writes the prescriptions. If he has questions and alternate suggestions, I act as go between with both doctors, and we come to agreement as to process or procedure to follow. I am very lucky to have that kind of medical care. My income would allow me to buy more extensive private coverage, but I feel no need to do that, certainly not due to the care I receive. But basically I am, for all intents and purposes, in a completely Govt run plan. And I like it. It is too bad that all Americans do not have that opportunity.
I use the VA also and it's nothing like you describe....
I cannot just make an appointment if I am feeling sick to see a doctor... I have to just go in and hope that I will be seen that day and if not come back the next day...
If most Americans had the VA plan they would but up in arms.
And those test you talk about you have to go in around 2 weeks before your appointment and stand in lines a mile long to get them...
I will say the VA is better than having nothing, but I'd take my private care back any day if I could....
Maybe things are different at the VA where you are....
To history, it is likely to be judged alongside the boldest acts of presidents and Congress in the pantheon of domestic affairs. Think of the guaranteed federal pensions of Social Security, socialized medicine for the old and poor, the civil rights remedies to inequality.[/b]
Obama got it done.
Ken
None of which fixed one single thing. The old and poor have crappy health care that they always complain about, there's boatloads of inequality in every direction, and Social Security is a fairy tale which never should have happened and will not exist when I retire.
Obama is done. A certain one-termer. Now we'll have Republican control after a few short months, too bad we're not smart enough to abandon both parties.
I use the VA also and it's nothing like you describe....
I cannot just make an appointment if I am feeling sick to see a doctor... I have to just go in and hope that I will be seen that day and if not come back the next day...
If most Americans had the VA plan they would be up in arms.
You have to ask for copies of your records from the VA and that can take time.. they don't hand them out like you make it sound...
And those test you talk about you have to go in around 2 weeks before your appointment and stand in lines a mile long to get them...
I will say the VA is better than having nothing, but I'd take my private care back any day if I could....
Maybe things are different at the VA where you are....
It sounds like you are using to VA to tell your private doctor what meds to give you, is that correct?
Last time I heard this was against VA rules....
"My primary VA doctor has immediate access to any tests and labs I have, she evaluates them and advises what drugs I may need. I get hard copy of all VA reports, provide that to my private primary doctor. He reviews my VA doctors assessments, and writes the prescriptions."
My VA Doctor knows, my private Doctor knows, neither has given me any indication that what I am doing is against any rules. Yes, it takes time to get hard copy of my VA reports, I make a request, they mail it to me, I get 6 mos of reports at a time. I rarely, actually the last time, I felt sick enough to go to any Doctor, was 2004. That was when all my issues came to light. That was also prior to going into the VA system. My VA Doctor is not telling my private Doctor what to prescribe. He just looks at the reports and agrees with what drugs I need. There was one drug he did not think I needed, I relayed that to my VA Doctor, who agreed I did not. I have never had a need to schedule an appointment with either Doctor. Both schedule them for me. Because of what I do personally, to prevent problems, I haven't had the need, I can't even remember the last time I had a cold. But, I may at some point, and I will see whichever will see me first. The VA schedules regular tests and followup with specialists if needed, as well as a couple of surgeries. It took a week to get a major surgery for a situation that was found in one of those tests. I am sorry you are having difficulty with the VA, I just have never experienced it in any of 5 facilities that I have been.
Yup.
Not quite there yet - but assuming the Senate passes it then...
To the ardent liberal, Obama's health care plan is a shadow of what should have been, sapped by dispiriting downsizing and trade-offs.
To the loud foe on the right, it is a dreadful expansion of the nanny state.
To history, it is likely to be judged alongside the boldest acts of presidents and Congress in the pantheon of domestic affairs. Think of the guaranteed federal pensions of Social Security, socialized medicine for the old and poor, the civil rights remedies to inequality.
I use the VA also and it's nothing like you describe....
I cannot just make an appointment if I am feeling sick to see a doctor... I have to just go in and hope that I will be seen that day and if not come back the next day...
If most Americans had the VA plan they would but up in arms.
And those test you talk about you have to go in around 2 weeks before your appointment and stand in lines a mile long to get them...
I will say the VA is better than having nothing, but I'd take my private care back any day if I could....
Maybe things are different at the VA where you are....
Never understood all the folks who hate government medical stuff but don't just go out and buy all that fabulous available reasonable private health insurance. I mourn the day I no longer had the option of going to the military pharmacy and the military radiologist and eye doctor,etc.
But I am not in favor of letting "children" of parents up to the age of 27 go on their parent's healthcare plans. Congress should have put a stop and made it so that unless these "young adults" have preexisting conditions, they should be required to buy private health insurance themselves. If you are a young adult (assuming you are healthy, which 98% of them are), you can get super cheap health insurance for around $100 a month. that's less than the bar tab these young adults spend on drinking on an average Saturday night.
I only paid $50 a month for my coverage when I was in my 20s. .
I agree about the kids staying on parents' coverage until 27. If the kid is in college, they can get low-cost student plans. If he/she is working, they should be paying for their own plan.
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Originally Posted by fopt65
Question ffor those with better knowledge on the bill than me:
What will those without health insurance do for the next 4 years waiting to be able to purchase health insurance in the new markets?
Good question. Another good question is why will people with pre-existing conditions have to wait 6 months before they can get coverage? A lot can happen in those 6 months.
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Originally Posted by Bub
Do they yet know what additions and deletions have been made? Congressman Peter DeFazio said TODAY on the radio that they had not seen everything in the bill AND that they wouldnt until Saturday at Midnight.
How can you decide HOW to vote until you see whats in it? Shouldnt WE get a chance to look at it too...so I can call/email my congressman with my opinion.
Obama assured us that the bill(s) would be posted for all of us to see before the vote. He'll promise anything because "the end justifies the means".
I've written my Congressman, and called, and written...to no avail. I guess he may understand it when I donate to his opponent in November, and roll up my sleeves and go to work in the campaign office.
To get an informed opinion about the healthcare bill, I called a friend of mine who is a physician at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale. He's 54 and he says after this healthcare bill passes, he's going to take early retirement. Evidently 3 other physicians there are doing the same thing, they say the healthcare plan is basically going to destroy GOOD healthcare and replace it with understaffed, underfunded hospitals that won't be able to offer decent services to their patients.
Thanks for destroying American Mr. Obama!
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