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Surely you understand that the CBO must take the "promises" and "assumptions" they are given and work off that?
Like the cadillac tax they put off til 2018 - do you think another congress will implement a tax this congress didn't have the courage to do? If they don't, that gets added to the deficit.
The amazing part was that Plouffe could not refute one single example of the double counting or the deficit and spending issues.
Karl owned him.
Funny how NOW you are questioning the credibility of the CBO sanrene, especially given your posts on it in the past 2 months.
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The CBO is a non-partisan entity that informs those uneducated masses of yours what the government is doing, spending, lying.
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Incredible, just incredible. What happened to fiscal responsibility?
He increased spending by at least 25% in his budget. We should be going the other way - at least a 25% spending cut across the board.
Great headline though.
And glad, you brought up Ryan.
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Paul Ryan - excellent clip laying it on obama, directly to his face.
Notice no one in the administration has refuted ANY of the facts Ryan laid out.
Ryan is right about the unsustainability of the current health status quo and the role of government in course correction.
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And both sides of the aisle are in agreement about the REAL cause of debt.
"Your budget appears to agree with the Obama team on an important premise: The deficit problem is a health-care problem.
Absolutely. Just look at the numbers. It’s not a theory. It’s a fact."
Even a guy that seems to lean toward the Dems agrees that the GOP plan is a hardcore deficit killer.
But the key is cost control, firm federal cost control.
"An important note to understanding how Ryan's budget saves money: It's not through privatization, though everything does get privatized. It's through firm, federal cost controls."
But it is funny how Ryan 2nd guesses the CBO's estimate of other people's plan but not when they estimate his own.
"But Ryan's budget -- and the details of its CBO score -- is also an object lesson in why so few politicians are willing to answer the question "but how will you save all that money?"
Funny how NOW you are questioning the credibility of the CBO sanrene, especially given your posts on it in the past 2 months.
Actually, if you go back & read her post carefully, you will see that she never questioned the credibility of the CBO. What she pointed out is that the CBO had to use numbers that were given to them, but which cannot be verified now, and are certainly subject to change. The CBO scores the "bill" (which, last I heard wasn't actually the bill but a draft of the bill, because the actual bill hasn't been released) assuming the accuracy & veracity of the numbers it is given. The CBO does NOT make judgments on whether those numbers it is given are accurate.
Actually, if you go back & read her post carefully, you will see that she never questioned the credibility of the CBO. What she pointed out is that the CBO had to use numbers that were given to them, but which cannot be verified now, and are certainly subject to change. The CBO scores the "bill" (which, last I heard wasn't actually the bill but a draft of the bill, because the actual bill hasn't been released) assuming the accuracy & veracity of the numbers it is given. The CBO does NOT make judgments on whether those numbers it is given are accurate.
I read her post clearly the 1st time.
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Surely you understand that the CBO must take the "promises" and "assumptions" they are given and work off that?
Like the cadillac tax they put off til 2018 - do you think another congress will implement a tax this congress didn't have the courage to do? If they don't, that gets added to the deficit.
She had no problems with the CBOs' "promises & assumptions" when she felt she could spin them for her agenda but all of a sudden now she questions them.
Methinks its not the CBO whose credibility has been demonstrated to be questionable.
The CBO does NOT make judgments on whether those numbers it is given are accurate.
While the CBO does not make judgement they do tell you if the numbers are realistic or not.
Now knowing that any member of congress can ask the CBO to look at there numbers,why do you think the Republicans never asked to have Roves numbers looked at?
She had no problems with the CBOs' "promises & assumptions" when she felt she could spin them for her agenda but all of a sudden now she questions them.
Methinks its not the CBO whose credibility has been demonstrated to be questionable.
You're missing the point. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the numbers given to the CBO to score another issue were not accurate numbers. The case has been made by a good number of people in the know that the numbers give for the scoring of this health care "bill" are incorrect, inobtainable, manipulated, screwy, invalid, unrealistic, and outright lies. The issue isn't with the CBO, it's with the lying politicians feeding them clearly lousy numbers for their use.
While the CBO does not make judgement they do tell you if the numbers are realistic or not.
Now knowing that any member of congress can ask the CBO to look at there numbers,why do you think the Republicans never asked to have Roves numbers looked at?
Because Rove isn't a member of the legislature presenting a bill to be scored?
You're missing the point. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the numbers given to the CBO to score another issue were not accurate numbers. The case has been made by a good number of people in the know that the numbers give for the scoring of this health care "bill" are incorrect, inobtainable, manipulated, screwy, invalid, unrealistic, and outright lies. The issue isn't with the CBO, it's with the lying politicians feeding them clearly lousy numbers for their use.
Not a good number of people, just one. Holtz-Eakin is the one that poorly made the case the rest are just cheer leaders.
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