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Old 04-21-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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The SPLC did great things against the KKK and some white supremacists. However, they've become a hate group that smears any libertarian or conservative they can think of. And they rake in millions in dinations after lying that they're still fighting the KKK, etc.
From what I've been reading regarding the Patriot and militia movements in this country, you're just spouting their same old, same old.

Hey, what do you think of this excerpt from the link in the OP? Does this remind you of anything which actually happened THIS YEAR? One of those tax protestors like Bob Schulz I guess.......and like the guy who actually flew an airplane into the IRS offices in Austin, Texas. So try to tell us that there's no connection between the beliefs of the old Patriot organizations and the militias and the hate speech and actions going on today toward OUR government.

"July 28, 1995: Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is arrested after trying to purchase a machine gun from an undercover police officer, and is later indicted by federal grand jury for plotting to blow up an Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas."
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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He has filled his cabinet with marxist radicals, he long associated with them, the GM takeover was socialist, his plans for national healthcare were socialist...




REX 84 in fact called for that:

FEMA And REX 84 (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html - broken link)

FEMA has made contracts for "camps," you judge the motives.

You should research a bit before you believe the SPLC.
so you say. sorry, I'm not into all those crazy conspiracy theories out there. Not worried about any "camps".........however, since you clearly believe all this stuff, how about providing some links which substantiate your claims of a cabinet filles with marxist radicals and that the healthcare reform law is/was a socialist plot to take over the country?
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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Saying your organization is aligned with the paranoid delusional theories of the Keystone Cops isn't exactly helping your case.
Debate by silly re-labeling isn't doing much for yours. Your thread is a fraud and you haven't much distinguished yourself in it. Have a nice day.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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Your truth is a dangerous patchwork of paranoid delusions.
That's what it sounds like to me.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Debate by silly re-labeling isn't doing much for yours. Your thread is a fraud and you haven't much distinguished yourself in it. Have a nice day.
Love you too sweetheart.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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From what I've been reading regarding the Patriot and militia movements in this country, you're just spouting their same old, same old.
Libertarian thought is fairly old. I'm happy to be spouting ideas like limited government and greater freedom.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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Ah yes, RP and Napolitano are both plotting to murder college coeds.



The SPLC is bored and looking for a boogeyman. It might as well be Dr. Freeze or the Riddler as it would be just as ridiculous as the list they compiled.
you simply have to be kidding about the SPLC being bored. surely you can read well enough to know better than that.

thank god they put out that list. it's very helpful to be reminded of the names of these various players from time to time because those players continue to rise from the depths of the swamps over and over when the time is right for weak-minded and mentally unstable individuals to be recruited.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:39 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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so you say. sorry, I'm not into all those crazy conspiracy theories out there. Not worried about any "camps".........however, since you clearly believe all this stuff, how about providing some links which substantiate your claims of a cabinet filles with marxist radicals and that the healthcare reform law is/was a socialist plot to take over the country?
Ahem. REX 84 is not a conspiracy theory at all. It was exposed during the iran-contra investigations.

A quote from the link ( FEMA And REX 84 (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html - broken link) ):

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directorate Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently.



The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. "


Now regarding healthcare: nationalized, socialized healthcare is precisely that...socialism. I can't believe anyone will deny it's a socialist idea...

For radicals...try people like Ayers...
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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Ahem. REX 84 is not a conspiracy theory at all. It was exposed during the iran-contra investigations.

A quote from the link ( FEMA And REX 84 (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html - broken link) ):

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directorate Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently.



The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. "


Now regarding healthcare: nationalized, socialized healthcare is precisely that...socialism. I can't believe anyone will deny it's a socialist idea...

For radicals...try people like Ayers...
basically Medicare and Social Security work as "socialist" programs, yet they are not designed to take over the country. The healthcare reform law is NOT designed to take over the country either. If you think it is, please explain how that's going to work.
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:56 PM
 
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basically Medicare and Social Security work as "socialist" programs, yet they are not designed to take over the country. The healthcare reform law is NOT designed to take over the country either. If you think it is, please explain how that's going to work.
Obama and many dems were calling for socialized "single payer" healthcare. That's socialist.

You're putting words in my mouth about taking over the country, as I was discussing a government takeover of healthcare.
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