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Old 05-27-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Of course, obama has no intention of listening to his chiefs.

Chiefs of Navy, Army, Air Force, and Marines Oppose DADT Repeal | The Weekly Standard



Why are obama and the dems trying to usurp the process that is ongoing? What exactly is the rush?



This will put them in a bad spot, seemingly going against the advice of these generals, who happen to know more about the situation than anyone else.

Whereas the democrats are just interested in the political ramifications of DADT - way to run the armed forces barry.

The democrats will attempt to piggyback this bill (like they always do) on the Armed Services mark up.
As is not uncommon, another misleading thread taken out of context.

It doesn't say these chiefs oppose the repeal of DADT, it says they oppose repeal before completing the review process.

Try posting the entire story rather than just the parts you choose to suit your own little Obama bashing agenda.

Typical NeoConfused cherry picking, and we all know how well that turns out
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Should have never been the law to begin with. If Clinton had any balls, gays would not be 2nd class soldiers, airmen and sailors today.
DADT was the best solution to a big problem

before DADT gays were not allowed in at all

now with DADT they are,, just dont advertise


repealing it will be a logistaical nightmare, ..look at the rules within the barraks for 'single' soldiers...you are not ALLOWED to have someone of the OPPOSITE sex in the same room without leaving the door open at least a foot........look at the laterines there are male and female laterines (to include the SHOWERS).....also the RULES about family members being in the same chain of command (unit)

dont ASK, dont TELL was the best solution to a difficult problem, repealing it will be a big mistake
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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If you're running a successful business you should welcome and accept feedback from your subordinates. They are the ones out in the field so their feedback is valuable. It's kind of like a successful business management 101 type of thing. Maybe Barry Soetoro misssed that one at one of the many fine universities that he purportedly attended.
Rick,

Maybe you need a course in civics, it's the job of Congress to craft the laws and it's up to the President to accept or reject those laws. Does that make sense to you?
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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According to a UCLA study, don't ask don't tell has cost tax payers over $500,000,000. People who are intelligent and educated are dismissed while to fill its quotas, the armed services are now giving felons and non high school graduates a waiver so they can get in. Even gay linguists in Arabic and Farsi are dismissed, putting a homophobic agenda above national security. It is up to the leaders of the military to lead their troops, not follow their prejudices.

Meanwhile, US naval officers do serve with openly gay naval officers from other NATO countries. It is a long standing tradtion that the US Navy and other NATO countries, especially the Royal Navy, exchange officers. US officers are serving with openly gay sailors and officers aboard these ships.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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Um, can someone please explain to me how a homo is less able to shoot a rifle than someone else?

I'd really like to understand what the big damn deal is here.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Of course, obama has no intention of listening to his chiefs.

Chiefs of Navy, Army, Air Force, and Marines Oppose DADT Repeal | The Weekly Standard

Why are obama and the dems trying to usurp the process that is ongoing? What exactly is the rush?

This will put them in a bad spot, seemingly going against the advice of these generals, who happen to know more about the situation than anyone else.

Whereas the democrats are just interested in the political ramifications of DADT - way to run the armed forces barry.

The democrats will attempt to piggyback this bill (like they always do) on the Armed Services mark up.
Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders have no place in the military. Many people who would like to serve in the military cannot serve, due to the nature of military life and its mission. Too bad for people who feel other wise.

If the politicians force the issue of openly serving gays on the military, they will weaken it. The active military is not the equivalent of students in a college dormitory.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Rick,

Maybe you need a course in civics, it's the job of Congress to craft the laws and it's up to the President to accept or reject those laws. Does that make sense to you?

A good leader consults with his subordinates. Does that make sense to you?
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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Rock Hudson had his first gay "encounter" on a US battleship in the Pacific in WW2. The US still won the war.
NO. NO, NO. Don't you know that the war was really won by Ronald Reagan (personally liberated Nazi death camps) and John Wayne! Any assertion to the contrary makes it obvious that you are a left-wing dupe of the lamestream media who get all your talking points from media matters.

And let's not forget US Naval Academy graduate (class of '74 IIRC) Eric "tickle me elmo" Massa, former rep from NY.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Um, can someone please explain to me how a homo is less able to shoot a rifle than someone else?

I'd really like to understand what the big damn deal is here.
its not about what that openly gay person can and cant do...its about how other FEEL

its just like a sexualy harrassment problem/issue...its not about what is or isnt DONE, its about how someone FEELS about it

its just like what was just taught in POSH class a couple of weeks ago:

you say 'come on guys' and there is a femeale in the group....sexual harrasment

you tell a co-worker a rauncy joke, she laughs...BUT the person in the OTHER CUBICLE is offended.....its an EO complaint
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders have no place in the military. Many people who would like to serve in the military cannot serve, due to the nature of military life and its mission. Too bad for people who feel other wise.

If the politicians force the issue of openly serving gays on the military, they will weaken it. The active military is not the equivalent of students in a college dormitory.
Oh, so here is the expert I have been waiting for.

My question is this: why not? What about their sexual orientation makes them unfit for military service?

Don't bother with your stupid college dorm example, as that applies to heterosexuals as well.

Enlighten me.
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