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When you go into a dangerous neighborhood bad things may happen to you. If thses activists tried the same think in Tiananmen square I think they would face more serious fire power than tear gas.
Yea about 30 years ago. China is way more humane today. Probably because they don't want to lose trade.
Yea about 30 years ago. China is way more humane today. Probably because they don't want to lose trade.
Unfortunately not much has changed.
"The PRC is known for its intolerance of organized dissent towards the government. Dissident groups are routinely arrested and imprisoned, often for long periods of time and without trial. Incidents of torture, forced confessions and forced labour are widely reported. Freedom of assembly and association is extremely limited. The most recent mass movement for political freedom was crushed in the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, the estimated death toll of which ranges from about 200 to 10,000 depending on sources.[80][81]
One of the most famous dissidents is Zhang Zhixin, who is known for standing up against the ultra-left.[82] In October 2008, the government denounced the European Parliament's decision to award the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought to Hu Jia, on grounds that it was "gross interference in China's domestic affairs" to give such an award to a "jailed criminal.. in disregard of our repeated representations."[83]
In Dec. 8, 2008, two days before the release of Charter 08, Liu Xiaobo was arrested. He along with three hundred and two other Chinese citizens, signed Charter 08, a manifesto released on the 60th anniversary of the adoption of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (December 10, 2009), written in the style of the Czechoslovakian Charter 77 calling for greater freedom of expression, human rights, and for free elections.[6] As of May 2009, the Charter has collected over 9,000 signatures from Chinese of various walks of life.
On 17 Oct 2009, Reuters reported that Guo Quan a professor in Nanjing Teachers University was sentenced to 10 years in jail for "inciting Subversion" of Government. There are more than 40 people in jail for criticizing the government."
"Amnesty International has documented widespread human rights violations in China. An estimated 500,000 people are currently enduring punitive detention without charge or trial, and millions are unable to access the legal system to seek redress for their grievances. Harassment, surveillance, house arrest, and imprisonment of human rights defenders are on the rise, and censorship of the Internet and other media has grown. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, and of Falun Gong practitioners and Christians who practice their religion outside state-sanctioned churches continues. While the recent reinstatement of Supreme People's Court review of death penalty cases may result in lower numbers of executions, China remains the leading executioner in the world. Review our annual report on China human rights violations."
When you go into a dangerous neighborhood bad things may happen to you. If thses activists tried the same think in Tiananmen square I think they would face more serious fire power than tear gas.
I do not mean to single you out, but I have seen this a lot. The argument that if you are going somewhere dangerous you are responsible for bad stuff happening to you. Out of curiosity do you and/or anyone else hold this view of shippers attacked by Somali pirates...That they take some of the responsibility for being attacked by pirates for trying to navigate the dangerous Gulf of Aden region?
I do not mean to single you out, but I have seen this a lot. The argument that if you are going somewhere dangerous you are responsible for bad stuff happening to you. Out of curiosity do you and/or anyone else hold this view of shippers attacked by Somali pirates...That they take some of the responsibility for being attacked by pirates for trying to navigate the dangerous Gulf of Aden region?
Of course, if there is an advisory to avoid certain waters or take certain precautions and they are ignored, you are inviting a problem.
With respect to Israel, they are a country in a state of war. It seems silly to needlessly provoke them. Setting aside this incident and looking at the flotilla issue. The activists had an alternative to get the aid to Gaza, Israel will accept the aid, search it and deliver it. they were not interested in getting the aid to Gaza. The goal of the activists was two fold to provoke a confrontaiton and to end the blockade. With the number of missiles that rain down on Israel from Gaza they cannot lift the blockade.
I do not mean to single you out, but I have seen this a lot. The argument that if you are going somewhere dangerous you are responsible for bad stuff happening to you. Out of curiosity do you and/or anyone else hold this view of shippers attacked by Somali pirates...That they take some of the responsibility for being attacked by pirates for trying to navigate the dangerous Gulf of Aden region?
Absolutely not.Commercial Ships are navigating open waters for commerce.The Somali Pirate scenario you brought up is an example of Obama stepping up to the plate and doing something He should be commended for.When He had one of them shot and the rest captured.Ships navigating the Gulf of Aden have a right to do so by International Law so I don't think that you can really compare this.
I do not mean to single you out, but I have seen this a lot. The argument that if you are going somewhere dangerous you are responsible for bad stuff happening to you. Out of curiosity do you and/or anyone else hold this view of shippers attacked by Somali pirates...That they take some of the responsibility for being attacked by pirates for trying to navigate the dangerous Gulf of Aden region?
Agreed. We should hold the thousands of dead in Tiananem square to the same standard if this is how we want to judge this instance. That's how far we have sunk. This War of Terror has damaged my country and Constitution far beyond the ability of terrorists ever could.
Plenty has changed, slowly and inevitably. If you lived in China you would know that it is much easier to move between Taiwan, China, and the US. Less need for border patrols. More open, free movement.
China doesn't advertise itself as a democracy... it knows what it is. Can't change overnight.
Can't there just be peace in the middle east already? I'm so sick of this.
Absolutely not.Commercial Ships are navigating open waters for commerce.The Somali Pirate scenario you brought up is an example of Obama stepping up to the plate and doing something He should be commended for.When He had one of them shot and the rest captured.Ships navigating the Gulf of Aden have a right to do so by International Law so I don't think that you can really compare this.
I am not comparing the actions of Somali pirates with the IDF, but rather trying to gauge how consistently people will apply the enter at your own risk argument.
From your response I take it you do not believe someone who enters a risk zone bears responsibility for any harm that may come to them the poster prior to your post (#45) does. Is this correct?
Scroll down to the video, its the unedited copy that shows the rock throwers before she was hit. In any case she was too close to be a seperate activity as she was in the street with them. Unlike the Palestinian version that starts off at the sidewalk where she was dragged too (Middle East Fury starting at 0:50).
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