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And how else is one supposed to feel when looking at this chair? Happy? Peaceful? Or disgusted, confused, saddened or violated?
Put me down as "weirded out". While the elements don't look anything like the real "thing", it's just a strange-looking sculpture that does nothing positive for me.
Here's more modern art. Does this evoke feelings of happiness and serenity? If not is it only "art"?
By the way, even happily married mothers are allowed to express feelings other than happiness and serenity.
This is also excellent art. There's a big difference---and yet a fine line---between dark-themed art, like Holocaust paintings, and art that provokes anger or sadness just because it can.
No, I think if that's your reaction you aren't well versed in art. And that's okay. There are many subjects I'm not well versed on but I think statements like the bolded speak more to the viewer rather than the quality of the art.
I totally agree with that.
Two quotes I love from Picasso (a true genius, even if an insufferable human being - I too cried my heart out seeing Guernica in Madrid as a pre-teen).
"As a child I could paint like Raphael. But it took me years to learn to paint like a child."
And another (I didn't find it in english so please bear with my clumsy translation)
To a lady who told him "Your paintings are like Chinese to me", he softly answered "But Madame, Chinese can be learnt, billions already speak it"
If you (general) are interested in contemporary art (different from modern art if we follow a strict definition), or on the contrary are baffled by what passes as art but are curious, look into Pierre Soulages' work. What images you'll find on Google will probably not render anything. He's an artist that works only with the black colour using it to create light and shades.
When seen in real, in a museum that really puts out his work as it should be (working a LOT with how the paintings are positionned with natural and artificial lightening), it's incredible how much light and reflects he creates with what could be seen as "but those are just strips of black paint, I could do it ! Hey, my child could do it".
Having seen a great exhibit in Pompidou Center, I can tell you first hand that his work with "black-ness" definitely made me happy. All I saw was beautiful lights...
Put me down as "weirded out". While the elements don't look anatomical, it's just a strange-looking sculpture that does nothing positive for me.
This is also excellent art. There's a big difference---and yet a fine line---between dark-themed art, like Holocaust paintings, and art that provokes anger or sadness just because it can.
Well sometimes.
Anger is a valid feeling and sometimes that anger is justified. Art that expresses anger and calls attention to that anger or hurt can also be important. Just because something makes us think and consider instead of making us feel good, does not invalidate it's status as art. That relegatest the purpose of art to mere decoration.
When seen in real, in a museum that really puts out his work as it should be (working a LOT with how the paintings are positionned with natural and artificial lightening), it's incredible how much light and reflects he creates with what could be seen with "but those are just strips of black paint, I could do it ! Hey, my child could do it".
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Originally Posted by maciesmom
Anger is a valid feeling and sometimes that anger is justified. Art that expresses anger and calls attention to that anger or hurt can also be important. Just because something makes us think and consider instead of making us feel good, does not invalidate it's status as art. That relegatest the purpose of art to mere decoration.
Responding to both quotes:
In cases of simplistic "strips of black paint" artwork or "angry" artwork, there's another big difference and fine line. Namely, between paintings that make you go "Hmm... " and those that make you go "WTF!? "
Responding to both quotes:
In cases of simplistic "strips of black paint" artwork or "angry" artwork, there's another big difference and fine line. Namely, between paintings that make you go "Hmm... " and those that make you go "WTF!? "
But to say that simply because a piece if art doesn't speak to YOU it isn't art but "art" is pretty egotistical isn't it?
If art was only considered good or important or beautiful based on one person's perception, then whose perception do we go with? Yours? Mine? Mapplethorpe's? Art is subjective. As it should be.
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Here's more modern art. Does this evoke feelings of happiness and serenity? If not is it only "art"?
By the way, even happily married mothers are allowed to express feelings other than happiness and serenity.
Of course they are. But it doesn't make a very good "artist life as torture" story. You'll notice that the poster made a point to say the artist was institutionalized and mentally ill. Why? Why is that relevant? Because it SELLS.
Of course they are. But it doesn't make a very good "artist life as torture" story. You'll notice that the poster made a point to say the artist was institutionalized and mentally ill. Why? Why is that relevant? Because it SELLS.
But it wouldn't sell if people didn't find it thought provoking or inspirational. The artists background is important because it gives perspective of the artist.
Again, just because it doesn't speak to you (or me or any particular individual), doesn't make it *not* art.
It turns into an "industry" like anything that suddenly gets attention from a lot of people... that nature of it is somewhat of a turnoff... follow the money trail.
It turns into an "industry" like anything that suddenly gets attention from a lot of people... that nature of it is somewhat of a turnoff... follow the money trail.
Is that much different than patronage of the Church or wealthy families? Historically, art was very often limited to the images and messages those sponsors preferred.
If this were made by a happily married 30 yr old woman with 2 kids, would the interpretation be different?
And how else is one supposed to feel when looking at this chair? Happy? Peaceful? Or disgusted, confused, saddened or violated?
Let's try "what a bad upholstery job" or "waste of a good chair."
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" and those that make you go "WTF!? 
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