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Old 12-15-2019, 03:29 AM
 
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women are like cats men are like dogs.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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4) False. It all depends on the store. A man will complain about a woman buying a new $100 blouse and then justify the need for a $1,000 tool. Take him to Target and he'll be really frugal. Take him to Home Depot and it's a different story.
I would argue that a tool is useful and will last often a lifetime as well as depending on your skills may also generate income, A blouse...not so much!
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Old 12-15-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Your lack of exposure to the other sex in four paragraphs.
For most of my life, all my friends are other guys, but what does that matter? Most guys have no female friends except their sisters, female cousins, girlfriends or wives.
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Old 12-15-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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What a bunch of sad, tired, sexist tropes.

Why are you so interested in perpetuating stereotypes (mostly incorrectly stated)?

People are all individuals and some will fit stereotypes and some won't. So how has this thread helped you in anyway? Did you find some other ill-informed C-D members to reinforce your beliefs?
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Canada
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How true are the following differences between men and women?

1. Guys are more visual: Does this mean that guys like art and architecture more while girls like music more? Or that when watching movies, guys pay attention to the action and scenery while girls pay attention to the music and sound effects? Or that guys like graphic novels while girls are fine with reading Pride and Prejudice without any illustrations?

2. Girls are more selective than guys when choosing a date: Does this mean that girls are choosy about a guy’s appearance, while guys don’t care as much about a girl’s appearance? That’s certainly true for me--I never get why girls wear makeup, curl their hair. We guys are not very selective when choosing a date and really don’t care about your appearance.

3. Girls are more detail oriented: Does this mean that women are more likely to be perfectionistic than men? But if this was true, then women would make better surgeons than men--when in fact most surgeons are men.

4. Guys are more frugal and financially minded: Women will go into a store and come back with lots of impulse purchases while guys will go into the store and come back with only what they need. When buying a house, women will be a bit more impulsive, and buy it if it looks good, whereas guys are more cautious, thinking like an accountant, making spreadsheets and cost benefit analyses.
1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Maybe but not always true. I think the universities are to blame that more women can't become surgeons.
4. Wrong

All of these things you mention are personality traits. It all depends on what they want and what appeals to each individual.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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How true are the following differences between men and women?

1. Guys are more visual: Does this mean that guys like art and architecture more while girls like music more? Or that when watching movies, guys pay attention to the action and scenery while girls pay attention to the music and sound effects? Or that guys like graphic novels while girls are fine with reading Pride and Prejudice without any illustrations?

2. Girls are more selective than guys when choosing a date: Does this mean that girls are choosy about a guy’s appearance, while guys don’t care as much about a girl’s appearance? That’s certainly true for me--I never get why girls wear makeup, curl their hair. We guys are not very selective when choosing a date and really don’t care about your appearance.

3. Girls are more detail oriented: Does this mean that women are more likely to be perfectionistic than men? But if this was true, then women would make better surgeons than men--when in fact most surgeons are men.

4. Guys are more frugal and financially minded: Women will go into a store and come back with lots of impulse purchases while guys will go into the store and come back with only what they need. When buying a house, women will be a bit more impulsive, and buy it if it looks good, whereas guys are more cautious, thinking like an accountant, making spreadsheets and cost benefit analyses.
I would very much doubt that men are more frugal. I wish you would have mentioned where this list is from - your own opinion, or from actual studies. Don't confuse a dislike of shopping with frugality.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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How true are the following differences between men and women?

1. Guys are more visual: Does this mean that guys like art and architecture more while girls like music more? Or that when watching movies, guys pay attention to the action and scenery while girls pay attention to the music and sound effects? Or that guys like graphic novels while girls are fine with reading Pride and Prejudice without any illustrations?

2. Girls are more selective than guys when choosing a date: Does this mean that girls are choosy about a guy’s appearance, while guys don’t care as much about a girl’s appearance? That’s certainly true for me--I never get why girls wear makeup, curl their hair. We guys are not very selective when choosing a date and really don’t care about your appearance.

3. Girls are more detail oriented: Does this mean that women are more likely to be perfectionistic than men? But if this was true, then women would make better surgeons than men--when in fact most surgeons are men.

4. Guys are more frugal and financially minded: Women will go into a store and come back with lots of impulse purchases while guys will go into the store and come back with only what they need. When buying a house, women will be a bit more impulsive, and buy it if it looks good, whereas guys are more cautious, thinking like an accountant, making spreadsheets and cost benefit analyses.
1. Yes. Men actually have different retinas than women and are more attuned to visuals.. especially sexual ones. Women are more aroused by touch and smell than sight, but will marry money and power.
P.S. Almost ALL Pornography is purchased by and sold to men. Think about that.

2. Women are way more selective than men, but not based on appearance. Men use appearance for marriage more frequently, but will @#$% almost anything that is deeper than it's wide.
Females have an entirely different reproductive strategy than males.. namely quality vs quantity.
So women trade sex for security.
As Henry Kissinger has famously quipped 'Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.' And it's true.
Sorry, but in general biology still rules.

3. I have no idea.

4. I doubt this is sex biased but I have not witnessed or heard of such a stereotype.
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Old 12-15-2019, 07:36 PM
 
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Those are just stereotypes.
Factual differences based on studies.
women are statistically more verbal than men
Men often have higher upper body strength.
Pregnancy prepares women with having higher pain threshold
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Old 12-16-2019, 03:00 AM
 
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OP, just a FYI. the examples you gave for each item were very weird and specific to say the least......In general all of these are true except #4.

1. Guys are more visual: Yes men are more visual then women but this fact is more related to sexual arousal/satisfaction then anything else. As far as the examples you gave, I have never heard of mens/womens preference for those things. If you read an actual study that had the examples you mentioned, I would be curious to read it.

2. Girls are more selective than guys when choosing a date: This one is absolutely 100% true and a very interesting topic. Its also a biological fact in most mammals. Humans are no different. With the advent of the internet the myth that "men care more about a women looks and women care more about personality" has been shattered. I don't know why this was even a stereotype in the first place (I have a good idea but that's another topic). If you read biology 101 its obvious that females of most mammal species care more about "looks" (physical superiority) of a male then the other way around. This is because female mammal's of most species have a maximum number of offspring's they can produce over their lifetime that's capped by their biology.

Males on the other hand, have no such limitation. Theoretically, males can produce an unlimited amount of offspring's as long as there are enough females for him to mate with. So males have biologically evolved to want to mate with as many females as possible to maximize his chances of his genes being passed on. So they are less physically selective of females he mates with. Females on the other hand are much more selective of who they mate with because it maximizes her chances of her genes being passed down and surviving. For those who have never read up on this topic, here is a short but informative link:

https://www.nature.com/scitable/know...mals-83033427/
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Mate choice is also a key element of mating systems. In most species, females are choosier when picking a mate than males. A significant reason for this is the higher investment females make in each gamete than males. Females may prefer certain males for a variety of reasons, including "good genes", meaning that the male has attributes which predict better survivorship of the offspring, good potential parenting by the male, or possession of resources by the male that will support the offspring during their growth and development.
All you really need to do is look at the graphs. Note that for females, even the least physically fit ones (in human terms: the least attractive) had just as many mating opportunities as the most fit (most attractive). This is because males care more about mating frequency then the quality of their mates. Even though humans are highly intelligent, we have evolved with the same instinctual behaviors. Most men and women are doing this subconsciously and don't realize the biological urges that drives them to be picky or not picky. So women (in general) are much more physically picky regarding who they date. Here is an interesting study about that:

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and...4-107dcbb4f060

Here is a great link that breaks down the above data:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/psycholog...gesyouget.html

Here is the most important information from that data. Look at the race of the opposite sex that women and men found to be the most physically attractive. If men and women were about equal as far as caring about looks; then the response rate to the most physically attractive opposite sex should be about the same. However, male response to the female's they found most attractive was overwhelmingly higher. It was 70% higher then the female response!! Meaning, even with the males that were found to be the most attractive to females; they still responded to them much less often!! And even when you look at the whole of the data across all races, the same trend applies.

Women collectively responded a lot less to men then the other way around. In other words, men were trying to maximize how many women they could "get with." While women were trying to minimize how many men they wanted to "get with." Again, this behavior is typical of most mammals. On a side note, this isn't saying that "women are shallower then men." (they are not) Biologically, its just smarter for women to be more picky about a man's physical features.

3.Girls are more detail oriented: Yes this is true but just like #1 its only true for certain things. In fact, its probably 50/50. Meaning men are more detailed oriented with certain things and vice versa. As many have pointed out the disparity in many advanced fields has more to do with discrimination against women then their actual skill level/intelligence.

4.Guys are more frugal and financially minded: Absolutely 100% false. I think this stupid myth was also perpetuated because of sexism/discrimination against women. Men and women are equally capable of being financially responsible or irresponsible. Here is a study done by the federal reserve. Note that the credit score for men and women are so similar that it might as well be equal:

https://www.lendingtree.com/credit-r...-credit-score/

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Old 12-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Is this for real? I guess I have to assume it is.

1. Not true the way you framed it. The belief that guys are more visual applies to how they choose women or react to women, nothing much more than that. Women enjoy art and architecture (I definitely do, and I'm almost fanatical about certain types of music. I have a gf who's very artistic and very visual. She learned Chinee and Japanese scripts with no problem, due to her strong visual memory) as well as music. Women definitely appreciate the scenery in movies. What men do you know, who like graphic novels, lol! Do you seriously think men don't read great literature? OP, you're being ridiculous.

2. Wrong; guys care more about a woman's appearance than women care about a guy's. That's what the "men are more visual" thing is about. Women look more to a guy's character, though YMMV on that, depending on the woman. Of course, some guys are more interested in personality of the women they seek, than other guys are, too.

But yes, women are more selective, but it's not so much about appearance; it's about character. Since they're more vulnerable than men, they have to make sure the partner they choose is safe to be with, and trustworthy. I can't for the life of me understand why men in our society don't understand this. It's a no-brainer.

3. No, about the surgeons as an example. Most men are surgeons because women were prevented from becoming surgeons for a long time, and it's still an old boys' network. The male surgeons can be brutal and exclusionary toward the rare female colleague they may encounter.
But "women are more detail oriented" refers more to their ability to do fine, delicate work, like assemble tiny electronics circuitry, or do fine stitchery (though that's partly due to culture. Lots of women couldn't stitch or embroider something to save their lives).

4. OMG, you want impulse buying? Look at all the guys who go to the hardware store for a couple of tools and some bolts, and come back with a power mower to ride around the lawn in! Or a boat! Frugality vs. spendiness or impulse-buying is very individual, and isn't gender-specific. How many women have you ever even heard of, let alone--known personally, who had gambling habits that ran them into debt? It's mostly a guy thing.


OP. Most of your points are off mainly because of the way you interpret the key statements, not because the statements aren't true. You don't seem to have any idea of what's actually behind those observations or beliefs.

I'm not sure if you're understanding the phrase, "graphic novel". "Walking Dead" and "Preacher" are 2 TV shows that I know of, that are based on graphic novels, and they're a big deal. I'm sure there are other graphic novels...but they're not really my thing. I DO think it's more of a guy thing, and I know 3 guys (husband, son and grandson) who are into them.


Also...OP, my husband had cataract surgery. He had 2 surgeons. Both of them female. When my son had a burst appendix and had to have it removed, the surgeon was female.
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