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Why do you keep bringing up legally owned guns? Of course I don't support arming kids. For the one millionth time I am perfectly fine with better gun regulation. For the one millionth time I don't think it will do anything to prevent people from getting guns illegally. For the one millionth time I am not worried about guns that are obtained legally.
So you think that by producing fewer guns in the US it will result in less guns getting in the hands of those who get them illegally? Yet in the same paragraph you mention fentanyl? I'm confused....
I can assure you that if there's a demand for illegal firearms in the US, they will come in. Just like drugs.
Focusing on the root of a problem is not a fools errand. Making political statements via regulation when we know damn well it won't do a thing, is.
"millionth."
you know that is 1,000 thousands, right? Sheesh.
You drop "fentanyl" into the conversation and then moan in puzzlement when it is in the conversation.
Focus!
So, in your desire to not limit the flood of guns in America, you seem to support legally arming disturbed, unsupervised 18-year-old kids for mass shootings as long as the kid doesn't have a criminal record yet? Because slowing the flood will not absolutely end all killings?
Do you support the nut in the Tennessee State House who suggests we go back to public tree hangings to stop crime?
I would like to think not, but it IS a weird world, and some people don't recognize the value of multiple approaches to a problem.
We interdict a great deal of fentanyl, which is not produced in the U.S. We produce a great many of the guns you support selling to kids. Why not reduce that sales volume of weapons rather than preferring to focus on locking killers up after the fact?
It's not America that has a gun violence problem, it's the Americas. That is North, South, and Central America collectively along with the Carribean islands. Even Greenland and Alaska have high homicide rates. The only exceptions in the entire hemisphere are Canada, usually Chile and sometimes a few small islands. Every single other nation in the Western hemisphere typically records homicide rates above the global average.
To put in perspective, the Eastern Hemisphere contains Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania and is home to 85% of the world population. the Eastern hemisphere homicide rate is 4.1/100k
The Western Hemisphere (the Americas and Greenland) has a homcide rate of 17.1/100k, over 4 times higher. Even in Africa the homicide rate is only 13/100k for that continent, so the Western Hemisphere average is still higher than that. The Western Hemisphere average is 5 times higher than Europe and more than 7 times higher than Asia's average
It's not America that has a gun violence problem, it's the Americas. That is North, South, and Central America collectively along with the Carribean islands. Even Greenland and Alaska have high homicide rates. The only exceptions in the entire hemisphere are Canada, usually Chile and sometimes a few small islands. Every single other nation in the Western hemisphere typically records homicide rates above the global average.
To put in perspective, the Eastern Hemisphere contains Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania and is home to 85% of the world population. the Eastern hemisphere homicide rate is 4.1/100k
The Western Hemisphere (the Americas and Greenland) has a homcide rate of 17.1/100k, over 4 times higher. Even in Africa the homicide rate is only 13/100k for that continent, so the Western Hemisphere average is still higher than that. The Western Hemisphere average is 5 times higher than Europe and more than 7 times higher than Asia's average
Yep.
And the U. S. is the clear leader among developed industrial nations in gun ownership and gun violence rates per 100,000 residents.
It's not America that has a gun violence problem, it's the Americas. That is North, South, and Central America collectively along with the Carribean islands. Even Greenland and Alaska have high homicide rates. The only exceptions in the entire hemisphere are Canada, usually Chile and sometimes a few small islands. Every single other nation in the Western hemisphere typically records homicide rates above the global average.
To put in perspective, the Eastern Hemisphere contains Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania and is home to 85% of the world population. the Eastern hemisphere homicide rate is 4.1/100k
The Western Hemisphere (the Americas and Greenland) has a homcide rate of 17.1/100k, over 4 times higher. Even in Africa the homicide rate is only 13/100k for that continent, so the Western Hemisphere average is still higher than that. The Western Hemisphere average is 5 times higher than Europe and more than 7 times higher than Asia's average
This is really a list you don't want to be on, and being #2 in the world is pretty bad. All numbers are from 2019 and are based on per-capita deaths via guns. Sadly, the US death toll has increased in subsequent years.
Yep.
And the U. S. is the clear leader among developed industrial nations in gun ownership and gun violence rates per 100,000 residents.
The US is the clear leader among all nations in civillian gun ownership. It's most likely not even close to the 2nd place.
While what you say is technically true it doesn't necesarily translate to a correlation between civillian gun ownership and homicide rates on a national level. That's going to be tough to prove. It's tough to measure civillian-held firearms per capita because you can never really know how many unregistered ones are out there. In more dangerous countries with strict gun laws, and there are many, there is an incentive to own a gun even if you are not allowed to do it.
So if you do go by survey/best estimate numbers you will get a lots of extremely safe countries in the top 25 most civillian guns and many dangerous countries are far down the list ( Canada rank 7, Cyprus rank 9, finland rank 10, South Africa rank 89, Jamaica rank 92, Brazil rank 97,).
The US is the clear leader among all nations in civillian gun ownership. It's most likely not even close to the 2nd place.
While what you say is technically true it doesn't necesarily translate to a correlation between civillian gun ownership and homicide rates on a national level. That's going to be tough to prove. It's tough to measure civillian-held firearms per capita because you can never really know how many unregistered ones are out there. In more dangerous countries with strict gun laws, and there are many, there is an incentive to own a gun even if you are not allowed to do it.
So if you do go by survey/best estimate numbers you will get a lots of extremely safe countries in the top 25 most civillian guns and many dangerous countries are far down the list ( Canada rank 7, Cyprus rank 9, finland rank 10, South Africa rank 89, Jamaica rank 92, Brazil rank 97,).
By all available numbers, the US easily has the highest gun ownership in the world. And, while you are correct that in some countries the number may be vastly underestimated, that applies to the US as well if you include all of these "illegal" weapons some claim are being used for the majority of deaths. Couple the high number of firearms in the US with the high mortality rate from guns, and a reasonable person would draw a correlation between the two numbers.
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