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Originally Posted by Crackpot
Underthesun7,
The hardest thing you're going to learn on this forum is that many of these people aren't going to listen to you, even if your claims are justified.
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This is true enough for many people on this forum. However, the OP's claims were not justified--they were shown to be wrong, yet he did not acknowledge it. So you see, a lack of interest in learning the truth is not unique to a single group.
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Originally Posted by Crackpot
All these critics see are bitter women haters and it doesn't get anymore misandrist than that. They're already calling you names just to dismiss your arguments, you're basically arguing with a 50-foot brick wall.
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Nice Freudian slip.
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Originally Posted by Crackpot
We would like restitution and lots of good fathers and husbands would love nothing more than to see justice, but the way our social system is wired I just don't see the change anytime soon.
Look and feminism, VAWA, and other groups as nothing more than special interest groups that lies and cheats the system to take advantage of their privileges at the expense of others. These groups are not a threat to you as long as you stay away from the women and men that associate in some way, shape, or form with these corrupt groups. They are no better than affirmative action, PETA, and those people that abuse disability because they're too lazy to find work and support themselves.
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I'm a feminist because I support equal rights for women. I don't know what PETA or welfare abusers have to do with feminists except these are obviously groups that you don't like.
VAWA was enacted as a result of the efforts of feminist groups who felt that not enough was being done to help the victims of domestic violence, who are mostly women and children (
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Also, despite its name (Violence Against
Women Act), the legislation benefits male and female victims.
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Q: Does the Violence Against Women Act currently serve men?
A: Yes. VAWA funds continue to be available for services provided to victims regardless of gender, and male victims frequently receive help from VAWA-funded programs. For example, men who contact domestic violence and sexual assault programs and hotlines are provided advocacy services and legal assistance to protect their safety. VAWA programs also train law enforcement officers on how to respond to and assess situations of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault and stalking, which enhances their capacity to properly identify victims and their perpetrators.
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I think most of the anti-feminists' beef with VAWA is that it contains the word "women" in its name, so they assume that it's simply FOR women. Again, there's that close-minded thing you mentioned.
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Originally Posted by Crackpot
There are underground men's groups that are supporting each other and helping one another cope with injustice, for now all you can do is avoid the problems you are talking about by doing some research, take some time off for yourself, and if you decide to go back to the dating scene you'll be far wiser and more selective with the types of women you can trust. Or enjoy the fruits of bachelorhood, they cannot take that freedom away no matter what. Look at it this way, guys still have a choice.
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I wholeheartedly agree, and good point about doing research.
Here's the link to VAWA if you want to read it. Please remember that this bill was put in motion by people who were concerned about women. It's not that they were unconcerned about men, but this was a cause that was particularly important to them.
The gripe against VAWA reminds me of people who complain about Breast Cancer Awareness Month or various fundraisers for breast cancer research ("That's unfair! Why isn't there a Prostate Cancer Awareness Month?"). Of course people also care about prostate cancer, but people choose their own battles to fight. Get up and fight for Prostate Cancer Awareness Month or a Violence Against People Act ... don't simply complain that other people didn't do it for you, which is how many of these "activists" come off. Griping on an anonymous forum is not "raising awareness" about anything, especially if you are using faulty data.
Which brings us back to whether women cheat on men and lie about who the father is. Of course some do; there's no denying it. Some people do horrible and stupid things. But this is not a pervasive phenomenon, and there's no reason to trample on the civil rights of innocent people to vilify a few. Every father has the right to request a paternity test and can do so for any reason he chooses, whether he suspects the mother of his child or simply wants to make sure. Nobody is stopping you or any man from doing this. What you cannot do is take away the rights of the rest of us. My next-door-neighbor is pregnant and will give birth any day. Why should she and her husband undergo any type of mandatory medical procedure simply because YOU or the OP want them to? To protect them? Let's let them decide for themselves.
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