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No, it wouldn't, but that's the point. If a restaurant has to pay a server $8/hour with no gratuity instead of $3/hour anticipating tips, that extra money has to be made up somewhere.
Then that sounds like a discussion that the waiter/waitress needs to have with management, not with the patrons. I don't understand how a worker can demand a certain amount in tips simply because they are afraid to negotiate the appropriate accomodations with their employers.
Btw, how exactly did 15-20% gratuity become the status quo?...because the price of the food is clearly not proportional to the amount of work the waiter is subjected to. If anything, gratuity should be a flat fee.
I think the thinking goes that the degree of expected service goes up with cost of the meal. A fine dining establishment is going to have a higher service expectation than a Denny's. That certainly has been my experience.
Then that sounds like a discussion that the waiter/waitress needs to have with management, not with the patrons. I don't understand how a worker can demand a certain amount in tips simply because they are afraid to negotiate the appropriate accomodations with their employers.
It is not one employees expectation. It is the entire society's expectation upon which the national minimum wage law is written.
Long thread so I am not going to read all the posts.
On dates I always paid since I was the person doing the inviting, that is why it's called a "date", dutch is for two or more friends going out together.
If a guy can't afford to pay the whole bill, whatever that may be, he can't afford to date.
I don't understand why some women think it is bad if he pays the full bill.
When me and the woman were past the "dating" stage, depending on finances, sometimes I paid, sometimes she paid.
some of you are missing the point (or grasping for straws). at the end of the day, most servers make a decent enough wage. this is not the complaint. the complaint is that non-tippers are essentially free-loaders who are recieving a service they are not paying for. the service you recieve in a restaurant can really make or break your experience there. the tipping culture is a great way to ensure better service and a better experience, as your server is going to be motivated by the possibility of receiving a better tip. if you are receiving this restaurant service yet categorically refusing to pay for it, you are a classless individual. if you dont want to be waited on there are plenty of establishments where you don't have to worry about this. you can even get take out at a decent restaurant.
Btw, how exactly did 15-20% gratuity become the status quo?...Because the price of the food is clearly not proportional to the amount of work the waiter is subjected to. If anything, gratuity should be a flat fee.
Who knows. Probably the same people who think a wedding ring should be the cost of a man's salary times 3...or whatever it is.
BTW I don't know how much "work" it really is if they take my order, bring out my food with a condiment. Let some tell it, they butchered the bull and grew the potatoes.
Then that sounds like a discussion that the waiter/waitress needs to have with management, not with the patrons. I don't understand how a worker can demand a certain amount in tips simply because they are afraid to negotiate the appropriate accomodations with their employers.
Exactly. It's daylight slavery, and the restaurant owner, the biggest culprit gets not even 1/10th of the stick. I patronize the restaurant for romantic purposes and quell my hunger. There's no room for social service. I get to do plenty of that outside.
I think the thinking goes that the degree of expected service goes up with cost of the meal. A fine dining establishment is going to have a higher service expectation than a Denny's. That certainly has been my experience.
Oh "fine dining" .. the places where you pay $100+ for two people then have to stop and get a pizza on the way home because ya'll are still hungry.
It is not one employees expectation. It is the entire society's expectation upon which the national minimum wage law is written.
"society's expectation" Please explain.
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