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Old 08-07-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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I only partialy agree. Withholding sex is often just that, a power grab early on in the relationship. Guys who go along with that, more than likely have to beg for sex for the rest of their lives, married or not. The screwed up thing is, both genders enjoy sex immensly and get great satisfaction out of it, yet we are somehow socialy conditioned to believe that only men want it, men are the only gender with any sex drive and for women its a mere chore. No one in the relationship should have the power to decide when to have sex, it should be spontaneous and great. In todays dating world, guys have sooo many options to find women who will give it up right away, that those who withhold and want to play these silly power games, are simply left in the dust, with a rare exception here and there. Vast majority of guys who are willing to wait a long period of time before having sex, do so because they arent very attractive to the opposite sex, are self proclaimed nice guys brainwashed and inhibited like nuns, and couldnt get laid and probaabloy havent in a long time either way.
I suppose it's possible that I am an aberration and you are incredibly in tune with the emotions and motives of not only the women you have interacted with romantically, but also the nameless women around you and, indeed, all over the world. I only have my own perspective, after all. It's just easier for me to believe that I am an average woman and that my beliefs are common.

I am totally with you that IDEALLY sex is spontaneous and fun, but I disagree that nobody should ever say no, which is what you seem to be saying. Every person should have that power without judgment or consequence. Maybe he is tired. Maybe she really does have a headache. Being able to say no freely means that every yes is real. Dutiful sex blows.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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I suppose it's possible that I am an aberration and you are incredibly in tune with the emotions and motives of not only the women you have interacted with romantically, but also the nameless women around you and, indeed, all over the world. I only have my own perspective, after all. It's just easier for me to believe that I am an average woman and that my beliefs are common.

I am totally with you that IDEALLY sex is spontaneous and fun, but I disagree that nobody should ever say no, which is what you seem to be saying. Every person should have that power without judgment or consequence. Maybe he is tired. Maybe she really does have a headache. Being able to say no freely means that every yes is real. Dutiful sex blows.
I agree, of course every person should be able to say no to sex and dutiful sex does really stink, but I dont believe it should be used as a power grabbing tool, or thought of in terms of reward/penalty, as it so often is. When sex becomes a chore, in my opinion, it is because the couple let it become stale, and didnt do enough to keep it fresh and full of variety. While I respect and appreciate your perspective as a woman, I have no need to be in tune with emotions and motives of every woman on this planet, to understand that womans sex drive is just as high, that she enjoys sex just as much if not more (notice which gender is usally more vocal during sex) and thinks about it as often throughout the day as men admittingly do. Spending time and effort on breaking down barriers of various inhibitions and social conditioning, will sometimes give you a glimpse of real male/female dynamics in a more natural and primal light. Besides, if we all agreed on everything, Im pretty sure CD relationships forums would be pretty blank.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances.
never met one that couldnt climax. I guess the skill level of your partner really does make a difference. And yes, the answer to your next reply is, I can definitely tell a difference between real orgasm and a faked orgasm.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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I dont date doormats. I date area rugs
Nice. I wonder if thats a step up or a step down.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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never met one. I guess the skill level of your partner really does make a difference. And yes, the answer to your next reply is, I can definitely tell a difference between real orgasm and a faked orgasm.
Not to get too graphic, but their orgasms most likely have nothing to do with what you put inside of her, and everything to do with the motion/friction you're creating externally.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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Nice. I wonder if thats a step up or a step down.
So women cant ask men out, chose a restaurant and pay for a date without the men being doormats?
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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Not to get too graphic, but their orgasms most likely have nothing to do with what you put inside of her, and everything to do with the motion/friction you're creating externally.
Actualy it is a combination of both, and yes I know about stimulation of pretty much every body part of females body. They all seem to be coming back for more, so thats good enough for me.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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So women cant ask men out, chose a restaurant and pay for a date without the men being doormats?
Of course they can, in fact i find it kind of sexy, but once they start talking about wearing the pants in the relationship, i think its pretty clear that a man is a doormat. Dont worry, im sure youre aware there are plenty of them out there.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Actualy it is a combination of both, and yes I know about stimulation of pretty much every body part of females body. They all seem to be coming back for more, so thats good enough for me.
But to say it's equally as pleasurable for everyone when 75% of women aren't reaching O through vaginal sex alone and 10-15% aren't reaching it at all, is a bit of a ssssttttttrrrrrreeeeettttchhhh.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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But to say it's equally as pleasurable for everyone when 75% of women aren't reaching O through vaginal sex alone and 10-15% aren't reaching it at all, is a bit of a ssssttttttrrrrrreeeeettttchhhh.
its not a stretch. its the truth. I feel sorry for the very few women that have never had an orgasm. It is more likely due to them being inhibited beyond their ability to let go and really enjoy what mother nature gave them. More than likely, because of nonsense that others want you to believe in, like sex is a chore for women.
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