Men, would you be a sugar daddy given the chance? (Asian, attracted)

[djohanna]

Okay. Dendrophilia sounds quite promising. Wait, how does that work exactly? Maybe I will purchase a house tree and just keep kissing it on cam. Reel in the big bucks, oh yeah baby. Although bark is a bit uncomfortable to rub against...

[laurenaus]

Have you thought of doing a loser fetish clip? You should feature your boyfriend, he'd be perfect for it.

[Doll Eyes]

Originally Posted by Crackpot

I remember around 10 years ago I used to be that guy, because I was taught to think that way... but years later you learn way too much about the attractive types and would rather steer clear of the walking pile of "issues". See other young guys do it and it's very hard to talk them out of that mindset, so you have no choice but to watch the train wreck happen. In frank though, there is no way in hell I could be a sugar daddy. Take it for what it's worth, I'm far too jaded to ever let that happen.

are you trying to say because the woman is attractive she has a 'pile of issues?' And as far as the 'sugar daddy' thing -- as always, whatever you say.

[StabbyAbby]

Originally Posted by djohanna

Okay. Dendrophilia sounds quite promising. Wait, how does that work exactly? Maybe I will purchase a house tree and just keep kissing it on cam. Reel in the big bucks, oh yeah baby. Although bark is a bit uncomfortable to rub against...

I give you an entire list of fetishes and that's the only one you pick on?

[StabbyAbby]

Originally Posted by RunWild

I always find it interesting when people compare something as disgusting as being a cam girl with high-end escorts and sugar babies. Same thing when people compare these to high-volume street hookers and forced prostitution. These are different worlds completely.

Why do you look down on camgirls?

At least camgirls are 100% safe from STDs and unwanted pregnancy. They also cannot be physically stalked.

I don't really care to snub forms of consensual adult sex work.

All sex work operates on the same principle: providing sexual services in exchange for money.

[StabbyAbby]

Originally Posted by Knight2009

I didn't mean just romantic love -- rather, that they might feel unloved overall, generally speaking. I freely admit that I could certainly be mistaken, and in error. It is just what I had previously assumed, that lack of love might be a possible motive for them to enter into the line of work that they choose. I have never actually known a cam girl personally, myself, so if I am in error, then I apologize. I never meant to insult a cam girl by implying that she was stupid, though.

Camgirls become camgirls because of a lack of money, not a lack of love. That's all there is to it. The simplest explanation is the right one.

If all they wanted were men to love them, they'd have sex for free.

There is a world of difference between being a Victoria's Secret model and being clothed and not engaging in something like being fully-topless and full frontal nudity, and a webcam model who is completely and totally bare or topless. There is no comparison; one is clothed (however skimpily), while the other is not. And FWIW, I very much dislike in the extreme nude scenes in movies

There's no difference in principle. Wearing nipple stickers/bra and a G-string/lacy see-through panties hardly counts as being clothed.

A VS model is taking her clothes off for money. (Sounds similar to a stripper, doesn't it?)
A VS model's purpose is to sexually arouse and tantalize people.
A VS model's value is 100% based on her beauty and sex appeal. If she became old/overweight/bald, she would lose her job.

Underwear modeling is softcore porn. Dress it up all you want, but not much separates underwear modeling from cut-and-dry sex work other than the fact that it's socially acceptable for some reason.


Why is it okay to show the entire breast except for nipple?

Why is nudity wrong anyway?

I never said that; those are your words. I am not judging camgirls personally as bad, degrading, dehumanized, immoral, or otherwise bad people. I think that all people are actually inherently good. Again, I am not judging the *person*, I am simply saying that the action and act itself of being undressed publicly and knowingly, in front of a camera, honestly stuns and bewilders me that the women who do that cannot see how fundamentally wrong that behavior is, on so many levels...

And WHY is it wrong?

I have no problem with living and let live...different strokes, for different folks after all. At the same time: you do realize that the flip side of the bolded portion above is that there are certain people who will try to influence or persuade a young woman to become a camgirl, where if the circumstances were different, she would otherwise flatly reject them. In other words, that some people are intentionally trying to push their lifestyles on others (i.e., pressuring them to become camgirls, Playboy bunnies, adult film actresses, and the like). So it goes both ways -- if some people are trying to influence people to become camgirls, etc., why can't I also express my views against that sort of lifestyle? Keep in mind that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything, either way...you're not going to see me declaring that camgirls are "evil", for example; that will never happen...

That's called rape/coercion/pimping and I am not defending that.

Many consenting adults enter sex work independently of their own free will.

If male webcam models show their private parts online, then I do not approve of the morality *of that behavior*, either.

And what's inherently wrong with nudity?

The male anatomy in that area is functionally non-anatomical, and non-s*xual, in nature, so the same logic obviously does not apply...

Just because you don't find topless men attractive doesn't mean that no one else does. Many gay men and women are sexually aroused by attractive topless men.

Female breasts only function to feed babies breastmilk.

[Phoenix2017]

Originally Posted by StabbyAbby

Camgirls become camgirls because of a lack of money, not a lack of love. That's all there is to it. The simplest explanation is the right one.

If all they wanted were men to love them, they'd have sex for free.

Touche; I freely admit that I stand corrected, then...thx for your helpful feedback in pointing that out...

There's no difference in principle. Wearing nipple stickers/bra and a G-string/lacy see-through panties hardly counts as being clothed.

A VS model is taking her clothes off for money. (Sounds similar to a stripper, doesn't it?)
A VS model's purpose is to sexually arouse and tantalize people.
A VS model's value is 100% based on her beauty and sex appeal. If she became old/overweight/bald, she would lose her job.

Underwear modeling is softcore porn. Dress it up all you want, but not much separates underwear modeling from cut-and-dry sex work other than the fact that it's socially acceptable for some reason.

All of the above statements are true, but you could technically also apply the same logic to any woman that wears a bikini (which is functionally the equivalent of a pair of bra and panties), yes?

TBH, I often wish that women would dress more conservatively, more frequently. I am not talking about anything radical or extreme though, just fully-clothed around the chest area, and not super-tight but rather a lil looser-fitting clothes...

Why is it okay to show the entire breast except for nipple?

Please see last paragraph above -- as a man who likes more conventionally-virtuous forms of expression of female beauty, I am not really a fan of women publicly exposing any part of her top at all...

Why is nudity wrong anyway?

Two primary reasons:

(1) If you really think about it, public nudity destroys and obliterates the overall sense of female innocence...nudity is the opposite of innocence. I like and admire qualities such as virtue and innocence in women (i.e., the stereotypical "good girl" and/or a woman who is chaste, pre-maritally celibate, or virginal) in the romantic sense, not the publicly-exposed female body. Public nudity by its very nature corrupts virtue.

(2) Things such as Internet nudity, movie nude scenes, adult magazines, adult videos, strip clubs, camgirls, etc. are considered "art" or similar, and are given a pass on public indecency laws. I can pretty much guarantee you that if a regular, everyday person disrobed publicly on the street (assuming that public nudity is not prohibited by local laws or is not in a place such as nude beach, etc., where nudity is already permissible), that person would be arrested for public lewdness and indecency. The hypocrisy is rather stunning -- on the one hand, public nudity is illegal, but the same behavior in what is considered a "medium of art" is somehow magically exempted from these same laws??

And what's inherently wrong with nudity?

Please see answer above.

Female breasts only function to feed babies breastmilk.

Technically true, but straight men also find them to be universally s*xually-attractive.

[Djuna]

Any man who uses "fresh meat" in any written or spoken form is a complete douche in my opinion. It is a disgusting way to refer to women and shows how lowbrow and knuckle dragging their views on women are.

[UrbanAdventurer]

How should I put this intelligently...oh hell to the nizzah.

[djohanna]

Stabby Abby, there will always be someone like you in defense of prostitution. No matter how eloquently you frame it, it's just lowly and gross. Even if you're a camgirl not getting STD's, all you are is jack-off material.

Think of how much of a better place the world might be if the 42 million prostitutes on the planet instead put their mind to good use, learning and working in a field that would directly benefit society and the planet (not just horny penises). We need those people to use their brains to help to solve issues such as global warming, health, and poverty.

Which is exactly what I'm doing by going to university for an environmental degree. I feel good about myself. I feel that I have a meaningful, respectable life purpose. If I had dropped out of high school to become a sex worker, I'm sure I would have low self worth, and look back with regret on my younger years. Not to mention catch AIDS or something.

There's also the factor of diminished respect from family. My own parents found out that I had done camming and were very sad to find out. I don't blame them. If I had a daughter and spent 18 years raising her, educating her, and all she panned out to be was an object of exploitation, I'd be disappointed in that outcome as well.

Entertainment is important, but renting out your holes to one dick after another is just gross. ESPECIALLY if you're in a first world country like Canada, where if you apply yourself it is easy to get a job that will provide you with a very comfortable living if you go through the necessary schooling. So many people are just lazy; they want to live an easy life in luxury without doing their share of positive contribution to society. If the whole world was like that, what a mess it would be. It's just like the criminals who would rather steal, or capitalize on drug addicts by producing and selling hard drugs (with sheer disregard of the ills drugs cause, but only selfish desire for an easy living no matter what effect it has on the world around them).

But, sigh, when it comes to a polarizing subject like this, arguing doesn't seem to accomplish much. People seem rather stubborn where whoredom is concerned.

In a world like this, it's all too easy to be at least somewhat misanthropic.