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If the Burger Flipper is under 23 then it shouldn't be a issue. Now if he is over 25 then he is a loser
So then a burger flipper over 25 has no valid reason to have confidence, and therefore any such confidence would be feigned fakery. Is there a fix for this?
So then a burger flipper over 25 has no valid reason to have confidence, and therefore any such confidence would be feigned fakery.
I think it depends. Is he a burger flipper at some fast food place, or a burger flipper at an actual restaurant? I know a few guys who flip burgers at Five Guys or In N Out and they don't seem to have problems with attracting women. Now, if it was McDonalds or Burger King....that may be a little different.
I think it also depends on what his goals are. If he's working there because they work around his school schedule or if it's temporary then that's fine...if he's content with being a burger flipper at McDonalds for the rest of his life then that's just going to be a huge mismatch in priorities and goals for me.
What basis could a burger flipper have for confidence in himself? Seems to me that such confidence would probably be based outside of reality.
You'd be surprised. In the environment I grew up in I've seen guys with nothing going for themselves suffer from no lack of female attention (typically these aren't the brightest women in the world). Many of them are either wannabe thugs or stoners with no job living in their mom's house or drug dealers. Maybe it's their f**k it attitude IDK.
I think it depends. Is he a burger flipper at some fast food place, or a burger flipper at an actual restaurant? I know a few guys who flip burgers at Five Guys or In N Out and they don't seem to have problems with attracting women. Now, if it was McDonalds or Burger King....that may be a little different.
I think it also depends on what his goals are. If he's working there because they work around his school schedule or if it's temporary then that's fine...if he's content with being a burger flipper at McDonalds for the rest of his life then that's just going to be a huge mismatch in priorities and goals for me.
What if he's not content with being a burger flipper at McDonald's for the rest of his life but can't afford to go to school?
You'd be surprised. In the environment I grew up in I've seen guys with nothing going for themselves suffer from no lack of female attention (typically these aren't the brightest women in the world). Many of them are either wannabe thugs and gangsters with no job living in their mom's house or drug dealers. Maybe it's their f**k it attitude IDK.
Sounds like the burger flipper mismatch I described earlier - what is attainable you don't want, and what you want is not attainable.
A creative writing professor once said that good writing comes from pain. So it is with threads. There is no story without a conflict, and no conflict without a story. Whiny threads appear to be man vs environment, but they are really man vs self.
So much truth here lol.
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Originally Posted by freemkt
It's more complicated than that, but the short version is that as an educated burger flipper, I experience an unbridgeable gulf of mutual attraction. I am uninterested in the women who are attracted to me - undereducated, low income often with kids - and the women to whom I am attracted (better educated) are uninterested in me. There is no app for this.
Kinda like a bad joke that was circulating in the early '90s, about how there were two kinds of jobs available, jobs you don't want and jobs you can't get.
Maybe I'm happy in my relationship because I value different things than what it seems almost everyone else here does.
I am 25 and my gf is 19. When her parents introduced us she worked at mcdonalds and actually loved it. She loved it because she took pride in doing a good job and being a good employee. After that she worked at a bank and then as a secretary. I travel for work and she comes with me. Sometimes she works, sometimes she doesnt. Right now were like 45 mins from a decent city so no real sense in her working.
I value how caring and trusting she is. I dont trust many people but she has it 100%
I value how caring of a person she is. All of her younger relatives call her "nanna" and basically flock to her like their second mother. Because of this and how she takes care of them there is no doubt that she will be an absolutely amazing mother. Thats huge to me. I
Shes one of the most appreciative girls I have ever met.
Even though she doesn't work now, she has no bills and doesn't spend, even though I added her to my credit card acct and got her a card in her name.
She loves to cook, clean, and just overall help out a ton. She workouts with me all the time too
I could go on but you get the picture. .
Some guys seem way into just education or money. Ive dated doctors and other girls that made good money. That is maybe 10% of whats important to me. Without stuff like I mentioned above or common interests it doesn't matter. I don't believe everyone will find EVERYTHING. I make enough to not really stress or worry about money so I guess that helps too.
Guys who do well with women tend to be confident, but that doesn't mean it's because of their confidence. In my opinion, it's because confident guys tend to be good looking. The reason they developed their immense confidence with women is because they know women are sexually attracted to them.
But, let's say it's true that confidence in and of itself is an attractive feature. Then good looking guys automatically have a big advantage because they are perceived as confident, especially if they're tall. This makes for cyclic increase of confidence and success with women.
Be good looking ---> get validation from women ---> develop confidence as a result ---> be even more attractive because you're confident ---> get even more validation from women ----> etc.
The opposite is
Be bad looking ---> get no validation from women ---> develop low self-esteem ---> be unattractive in part because of your low self-esteem ---> get even less validation ---> etc.
Hmmm, this thread seems familiar and yet the forum says it was created yesterday.
Anyway, I agree that there has to be some foundation for confidence. A lot of times, the foundation is appearances. However, there are other things you can build like talent.
What if he's not content with being a burger flipper at McDonald's for the rest of his life but can't afford to go to school?
If he can't figure out a way to pay for school then he obviously doesn't have a lot of motivation. Considering burger flippers don't get paid a lot of money, he probably qualifies for a crap ton of needs based financial aid or grants, plus he can spend time applying for scholarships. He could also start out at a community college and work his way towards a University or even go to technical school to get a certificate. Most of the aircraft mechanics I know basically went to school for free because there are a lot of technical grants out there they took advantage of.
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