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Originally Posted by monumentus
Not really a fair analogy though - given "toilet paper" is not a phrase that has been weighed down with negative baggage and connotations. In other words it is less about wanting to rename it so it does not sound like what it is - but rather they want to rename it to start fresh with a new term that is divested of the negative - and almost entirely unwarranted - negativity.
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You must not know the whole George Carlin joke then... he goes on to say how people change words to erase negativity... he ends it with "Shell Shock" becoming "Battle Fatigue" and then "Post traumatic stress disorder" all because we don't like things to sound negative. If you are paying someone to have sex with you, that's prostitution--no matter how you sugar coat it. Whether or not the name is unwarranted is a matter of opinion. And if it's not negative, why change the name?
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And that is a terrible reason. It attempts to indict X with the crimes of Y. The question is whether there is anything "wrong" with prostitution. Not whether anything is "wrong" with trafficking. Everyone agrees trafficking is bad. Few people have arguments to suggest prostitution is bad. So what people who WANT it to be "bad" do - is simply falsely equate the two.
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The FBI says it does.
FBI — Prostitution and Human Trafficking: A Paradigm Shift
"In over 100 arrests, most of the women expressed that prostitution was not their career of choice. In a 1998 study, 88 percent of the prostituted women surveyed stated that they wanted to leave the sex trade industry.... People see a pimp as someone who obtains customers for a prostitute. The reality is that they use manipulation, threats, and violence to keep these women from leaving. They depend on the women they recruit into prostitution. These men use mental, emotional, and physical abuse to keep the women generating money.2 Out of fear or a desire to be cared for, hookers protect their pimps"
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Does it? I do not believe it to be so. I would more expect that the underground - taboo - unregulated - unlicensed nature of the whole industry is what creates a demand for sex trafficking. If you had a regulated, licensed, above board version I wonder what your trafficking figures will do.
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These people say otherwise
London School of Economics:
Legalised prostitution increases human trafficking - 12 - 2012 - News archive - News - News and media - Home
Psychologists for Social Responsibility:
PsySR: Psychologists for Social Responsibliity
The adviser to human Trafficking in Sweden:
Prostitution and Sex Trafficking: Inescapably Linked - Fair Observer
A general article about how this happens
Sex for Sale: Legalized Prostitution Hurts Human Trafficking Victims*|*Chelsea-Lyn Rudder
This is economics 101, supply and demand.
"Coerced prostitution is one of the primary forms of exploitation that trafficked women and girls are subjected to in the developed world. Legalized prostitution allows traffickers to hide victims in plain sight as consenting sex workers. Legal or decriminalized pandering makes a portion of a sex trafficking victims venture legitimate. In recent decades, several countries have changed their policies and laws on prostitution. Because there is a positive correlation between commercial sex work, human trafficking and organized crime."
Sex for Sale: Legalized Prostitution Hurts Human Trafficking Victims*|*Chelsea-Lyn Rudder
Also
"In 2000, the Netherlands, historically one of the most hospitable countries for commercial sex,
formalized its prostitution policy by lifting its ban on brothels. At the time, advocates felt that regulating brothels would provide better protection to vulnerable women, particularly migrant trafficking victims. Unfortunately, regulating brothels was not enough to stymie the impact of global human trafficking on prostitution in the Netherlands. Instead, licensed brothels became a magnet for human trafficking. Having found that regulation had not curbed trafficking the city of Amsterdam decided to purchase former brothels, and in some instances loan them out to up and coming designers and photographers. In 2008, Job Cohen, Mayor of Amsterdam,
told The New York Times, "We've realized this is no longer about small-scale entrepreneurs, but that big crime organizations are involved here in trafficking women, drugs, killings and other criminal activities." Amsterdam has a reputation as an open-minded city. Its traditions may be too avant-garde for some, but Amsterdam's regulated sex industry was attracting a criminal element that was beyond the scope of the atmosphere of tolerance that it is famous for."
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I wonder if the author of that little fantasy tried to back it up with any numbers? Show me a correlation/causation link between a society that has more legal and regulated prostitution - and a flourishing increase in rape in that society.
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To be fair, this is debatable. It would seem to make sense that legalizing prostitution would decrease rape. But it would seem that the opposite happens. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of a lot of statistics to support either argument. But I will give what I can to support this argument since you asked. From the Safer Society Foundation, Inc.:
"Three cities which allowed open prostitution experienced a decline in rape after prostitution was again prohibited. Rapists include men who do not patronize prostitutes. Rapists include men who have 'girlfriends,' or are married, or living with women.
Statistical studies of reported rapes show that the majority of rapists are well below the age of males who most frequently use prostitutes. Finally, in Vietnam, brothels for the American military were officially sanctioned and incorporated into the base-camp recreation areas and yet G.I. rape and sexual abuse of Vietnamese women and girls is one of the most atrocious chapters of violence in U.S. history."
Also, again, my point was prostitutes themselves are raped:
"About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. ) Other studies report 68% to 70% of women in prostitution being raped (M Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," in A.W. Burgess, ed., Rape and Sexual Assault II, Garland Publishing, 1988; Melissa Farley and Howard Barkan, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder," 1998, Women & Health.)
78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon) 85% of prostitutes are raped by pimps. (Council on Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, 1994)
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Nonsense from you here. That simply is not the case. Cite your figures here. Actually the way most people get out is that they just leave. Many people selling sex for money are doing so to finance education and things like this for example. So when their education is complete - they simply stop with the sex trade too.
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Seems like you have some "romanticized" idea that all prostitutes are just young women in school earning extra money. Again, FBI:
"In over 100 arrests, most of the women expressed that prostitution was not their career of choice. In a 1998 study, 88 percent of the prostituted women surveyed stated that they wanted to leave the sex trade industry.1 The majority of prostitutes interviewed by APD vice investigators believed that selling themselves was their only alternative for survival. Further investigation showed that these women shared similar circumstances that led them to prostitution."
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Something else which would be addresses strongly by a regulated licensing scheme which obligates license holders to undergo regular STD screening.
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Yes, regular STD screening would help... but some STDs take weeks to show. HIV being the big one.
Here's a source for you. TCenter for Bioethics and Human Dignity website that stated:
"Even if a prostitute is being tested every week for HIV, she will test negative for at least the first 4-6 weeks and possibly the first 12 weeks after being infected. If we assume that he or she takes only 4 weeks to become positive, because there is an additional lag time of 1-2 weeks to get the results back, there will be at best a window period of 6 weeks for a prostitute. The average prostitute services between 10-15 clients per day. This means that while the test is becoming positive and the results are becoming known, that prostitute may expose up to 630 clients to HIV. This is under the best of circumstances with testing every week and a four-week window period. It also assumes that the prostitute will quit working as soon as he or she finds out the test is HIV positive, which is highly unlikely. This is not the best approach for actually reducing harm. Instead, in order to slow the global spread of HIV/AIDS we should focus our efforts on abolishing prostitution."
Look, I don't give a rats behind what the OP does or doesn't do. I told him he can only answer himself if it's right or wrong--it depends on his personal moral code since he's the one making the decision. But the OP asked WHY some people don't like prostitution and wouldn't want a man who uses prostitutes, I answered his question and explained why. You asked for more sources for the information I provided, and I have. Whether you agree with people who don't like it or not, these are some reasons why and won't change as being reasons why.
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