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A lot of us can manage many aspects of our lives, while failing miserably at other parts.
So, my opinion is that the guys who are inordinately bitter about women are either meeting all the wrong women (living in an area where it's slim pickings), they are choosing the wrong women (though are in denial about this), or are scaring away the right women (though in denial about this). Instead of exploring why they are having these failures and problems with women, they point to the women.
Women do this too, blaming men for being all pigs, while they themselves are making all sorts of mistakes and bad choices. We all do it. Bad things "just happen" to us and we can't figure out why!
I think that women who are bitter about men sound almost exactly like men who are bitter about women. A few particulars are different, but the tone and the bitterness and hopelessness are the same. It seems to be more prevalent among men though, at least on-line. I suspect the internet amplifies it, because I don't hear so much of it in my day to day life. It's still disconcerting.
No, they're not. Because as timberline pointed out, divorces among first marriages only happen to 1/3 of those marriages, and of those divorces, only around 10% are contentious. And some of those are settled out of court. So compared to the marriage total, it's a small number.
It takes some really special logic to say that because most people won't get divorced most men that do divorce won't lose out. To further muddle the water you and Timberline are also arguing that an agreed upon settlement won't result in the guy losing, but there is no basis for that conclusion.
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The chances are very high of not being taken advantage of in divorce.
Based on what? Most women are married to guys that make more than they do.
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The chances are fairly high of not even reaching divorce in the first place.
So what? Nobody was even talking about the chances of reaching divorce except for Timberline.
As a Millennial male. Being married in this day and age is a disadvantage. Especially considering that without prenup. The courts would side with the woman during divorce. I'd rather go my own way.
I'm a Millennial, and I say this is the best generation for getting married. This generation has the highest percentage of educated, awesome women moving ahead with careers. They don't need to take dudes to the cleaners, bc they're in the same jobs and professions that we are. You're gonna miss out on a lot of awesomeness if you GYOW, man, but, whatever. Do what ya gotta do. Like I always say, if you drop out, more for me!
I think that women who are bitter about men sound almost exactly like men who are bitter about women. A few particulars are different, but the tone and the bitterness and hopelessness are the same. It seems to be more prevalent among men though, at least on-line. I suspect the internet amplifies it, because I don't hear so much of it in my day to day life. It's still disconcerting.
It is.
I don't hear this level of bitterness, from men or women, in real life either. A lot of "extremisms" are only witnessed online.
Based on what? Most women are married to guys that make more than they do.
You keep chanting this like a mantra. What generation are you in? The people I see getting married make pretty much the same. If you're arguing that divorce isn't good for Millennial men, it's important to know who those dudes are marrying. It's also important to know that most won't divorce, which kinda blows a hole in the claim that marriage isn't worth it.
I'm getting the feeling this isn't really about marriage. It's a rant about women camouflaged as a rant about marriage and divorce. The divorce part of it just doesn't hold up. If y'all have a problem with women, say so upfront. Don't hide behind fake divorce stats, and make the discussion about something else.
But, like I said--you dudes do your thing. More for me, and my friends.
Some of them are punks who hide behind a computer screen.
They prob'ly don't even have jobs. The women they're resentful of are the ones with the high salary jobs. Some of these guys couldn't get taken to the cleaners if they tried. They don't have anything to clean. lol
You keep chanting this like a mantra. What generation are you in? The people I see getting married make pretty much the same. If you're arguing that divorce isn't good for Millennial men, it's important to know who those dudes are marrying. It's also important to know that most won't divorce, which kinda blows a hole in the claim that marriage isn't worth it.
I'm getting the feeling this isn't really about marriage. It's a rant about women camouflaged as a rant about marriage and divorce. The divorce part of it just doesn't hold up. If y'all have a problem with women, say so upfront. Don't hide behind fake divorce stats, and make the discussion about something else.
But, like I said--you dudes do your thing. More for me, and my friends.
I don't know anything about the divorce or income statistics, so I can't add much to that. But I do know several couples where the wife made more than the husband. I also know that there are marriages where the wife made more, and the husband was "uncomfortable" with that. And, I hear of men who end up with wives who earn much less, but who cares, as long as she's hot. Only later do the husbands "suddenly discover" that their wives enjoy spending his money a little too much. The warning signs were always there, but the men chose not to see. When they do finally see, they blame the women for being what they were from the start.
And, I hear of men who end up with wives who earn much less, but who cares, as long as she's hot. Only later do the husbands "suddenly discover" that their wives enjoy spending his money a little too much. The warning signs were always there, but the men chose not to see. When they do finally see, they blame the women for being what they were from the start.
Hot can definitely be expensive, I've seen that play out. And like you said, the red flags are usually there from the start.
Certain posters are engaging in pretzel logic, so it bears repeating. Certain posters think that the guys that divorce won't lose out just because most college educated couples don't have a high divorce rate (20%). It's nonsensical! The divorce rate could be 2% and sill have nothing whatsoever to do with the odds of whether one party or the other has the potential to lose out in a divorce.
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What generation are you in? The people I see getting married make pretty much the same.
Millennial.
Not according to Pew Research.
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If you're arguing that divorce isn't good for Millennial men, it's important to know who those dudes are marrying. It's also important to know that most won't divorce, which kinda blows a hole in the claim that marriage isn't worth it.
That's not my argument. In other threads I have argued that marriage doesn't make sense unless you need a claim against the other person's assets. I have also stated that I don't think marriage will ever make sense for me until they lower the tax rates/get rid of the marriage penalty.
However, in this thread, I am arguing that the odds of losing in a divorce are not minimal when the vast majority of women are married to guys that make more than they do. Sure, it is possible that the husband is a spendthrift and the wife is thrifty, but that's not the norm.
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I'm getting the feeling this isn't really about marriage. It's a rant about women camouflaged as a rant about marriage and divorce. The divorce part of it just doesn't hold up. If y'all have a problem with women, say so upfront. Don't hide behind fake divorce stats, and make the discussion about something else.
But, like I said--you dudes do your thing. More for me, and my friends.
The gyow crowd is gay, that's why they don't want women, but that has nothing to do with me and I would appreciate it if you drop the insinuation.
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To further muddle the water you and Timberline are also arguing that an agreed upon settlement won't result in the guy losing, but there is no basis for that conclusion.
