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You may just be the voice of Reason.
I think all this radical brand of feminism today is just something else. Equality for women was a noble cause, however the kind of stuff that some women associate with feminism today is just scary.
Correct. All of these women here talking about a woman's right to vote, acquire property, or pursue gainful employment have well and truly missed the boat. Old and out of touch seem to be appropriate qualifiers in this case.
Feminism as it happened and as it continues to happen (NOT as it has been defined for you in your genders study textbook from your McCollege) has been like using a nuke to get rid of an anthill. MAJOR overkill, and responsible for countless perverse effects that continue to grow in nearly all spheres of society, from gender relations to economics, from politics to media, and so on.
If a woman gets paid maternity leave then I want paid paternity leave. Fair is fair. This is the issue facing the UK.
Lets stick with the US since that's where you are rather than getting your panties in a bunch over issues you aren't contending with. As far as unpaid paternity leave goes, if you undergo any kind of physiological trauma due to a birth, surely you will have a disability leave. If your co offers it as a benefit, well obviously you will have leave.
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This is also the reason CEOs are so hesitant to hire women at peak childbearing age. Basically women are pricing themselves out of the market by demanding all the benefits they get over there and the US may follow in kind if feminists have their way. Women already get several multiples of time off that men get following a birth.
That's what people always say. It isn't my experience so I'm not sure what to say to that. My department is comprised of the most fertile people I've ever come across in my life. Somebody is always have a baby (men and women) and we're all paid well. Any salary disparity to be seen, imo, has more to do with negotiating power, as noted by Onglet, providing you are a professional, of course. I'm not going to pretend to know how it goes for HS grads trying to make it in corporate or in lower-level jobs.
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Personally I think if men and women want to have kids then it should be out of their own sick leave and/or personal leave. If they don't have the leave, just as if they can't afford to feed the kid in the first place, then obviosly having a child is just irresponsibble and being selfish and not a wise move. Sure accidents happen, but personal responsibility comes first.
So, if you enjoy white water rafting, hiking, jumping out of planes, off road biking, insert whatever hobbies that could result in a broken leg, you should not be legally allowed to opt for disability. Eh, maybe. Companies hire married people with kids all day every day. It's a part of life. You reject that part of life. So be it. Ime, co's will do whatever they have to in order to retain talent and keep a productive department thriving.
As far as sick leave goes, my co offeres unlimited sick days. Anything more than 3 weeks and the employee switches to disability, for any reason. Our vacation, personal days, etc has nothing to do with it.
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Bailing out people for irresponsibility just breeds more irresponsibility. That's what's destroying western civilization. Feminism, as well as other flavors of socialism, is about getting all the benefits while marginalizing personal responsibility. SOMEONE has to pay up and it's often the ones who are the law abiding good citizens who make the right choices in life. It's a lot like the housing and financial crisis. The ones being bailed out are the ones who bit off more than they could chew. Who DOESN'T get any help? The ones who did the right thing and were personally responsible for their own assets and wellbeing. What bizarro world do we live in that that's not rewarded, but the real-world Idiocracyites are.
We've had this conversation before, but again, here's how it goes - a majority of poor women go on unpaid maternity and don't come back. Professional women take 2-3 months, are given paid leave, and are back on the job. Who exactly is carrying who?
You do if you work for my company, or my husband's. I believe my company pays four weeks and his pays six or eight. Both companies also offer the same maternity and paternity leave for adoptions.
Same goes at my job. His problem is that he doesn't work for your or dh's company and it's unlikely that he will be hired by a co willing to give him paid paternity leave. I suppose it could be deemed a disparity issue, but then the whole equal pay for equal work assertion comes up and it falls flat.
Correct. All of these women here talking about a woman's right to vote, acquire property, or pursue gainful employment have well and truly missed the boat. Old and out of touch seem to be appropriate qualifiers in this case.
Feminism as it happened and as it continues to happen (NOT as it has been defined for you in your genders study textbook from your McCollege) has been like using a nuke to get rid of an anthill. MAJOR overkill, and responsible for countless perverse effects that continue to grow in nearly all spheres of society, from gender relations to economics, from politics to media, and so on.
While women around the world are being sold into prostitution and having their genitals mutilated, feminism will be alive and well and working on change. Just because western women have the right to vote and be paid an equal wage does not mean feminism is dead and useless.
Feminism is not going away, it is changing and evolving.
While I won't bore people with the entire article the synopsis states;
Past research suggests that women and men alike perceive feminism and romance to be in conflict (Rudman and Fairchild, Psychol Women Q, 31:125–136, 2007). A survey of US undergraduates (N = 242) and an online survey of older US adults (N = 289) examined the accuracy of this perception. Using self-reported feminism and perceived partners’ feminism as predictors of relationship health, results revealed that having a feminist partner was linked to healthier relationships for women. Additionally, men with feminist partners reported greater relationship stability and sexual satisfaction in the online survey. Finally, there was no support for negative feminist stereotypes (i.e., that feminists are single, lesbians, or unattractive). In concert, the findings reveal that beliefs regarding the incompatibility of feminism and romance are inaccurate.
Correct. All of these women here talking about a woman's right to vote, acquire property, or pursue gainful employment have well and truly missed the boat. Old and out of touch seem to be appropriate qualifiers in this case.
Feminism as it happened and as it continues to happen (NOT as it has been defined for you in your genders study textbook from your McCollege) has been like using a nuke to get rid of an anthill. MAJOR overkill, and responsible for countless perverse effects that continue to grow in nearly all spheres of society, from gender relations to economics, from politics to media, and so on.
That's really sad that it's growing and won't cease.
While women around the world are being sold into prostitution and having their genitals mutilated, feminism will be alive and well and working on change. Just because western women have the right to vote and be paid an equal wage does not mean feminism is dead and useless.
Feminism is not going away, it is changing and evolving.
Baloney. Modern feminism pays lip service to other women (women of color around the world) but at the of the day it IS just lip service. Nobody here gives a damn about our own working class women; the notion that they care about poor women in other countries is a laughable lie designed to dupe more US poor/blue collar/ minority into supportin the true cause: The transference of power from (white) men to *affluent* white women.
I'm finally figuring out that modern feminism isn't my cause and it's time to pull out.
While you may not be involved in international causes there are some of us who are.
I am not American and I don't relate to quite a lot of American politics and dynamics.
Which really begs the question: What are you doing so fervently debating the "virtues" of feminism in a thread dedicated to its effects on western society?
Women in third world countries are poorly treated? Really? Thanks for the heads up Magellan. Keep us posted.
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