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Sorry guys, I have fallen way behind. I've been wrapped up in 2 other books. Its funny actually, today I was reading a part of "God is not Great" by Christpher Hitchens and he was talking about the authenticity of the NT. He was talking about the evidence these guys offer with regard to eye witness testimony and tearing it to pieces!! Its a shame I didn't come accross it before my response.
Anyway, I'll finish up this week. I actually sold the God Dellusion on ebay as I wasn't enjoyng it.. I will certainly follow these posts though... enjoy!
Ok, we can move on if the rest of you are ready. I read the last bit pretty quickly...and I've read your posts. I'm not sure where Blue and Alpha are however.
Well, I read a little bit of it. I sure hope his vast use of the English language does not hinder what he's actually trying to get at. I have a feeling some people are going to be turned off if he does not put it in laymen's terms. I still have a long way to go in the book, so we'll see.
I am almost finished with the book. I said earlier that I wpoldn't be able to finish this challenge thread, but got a guilty conscience because I was a drop out, and I try to finish what I started Chapters nine thru12 were pretty interesting to me as a believer..But then most of us christians do rely on the writings of Josephus as a credible historian. I feel that the few references to Jesus that he made should at least prove that there was a man named Jesuswho was crucified, and his desciples carried on his work after his death..Good testimony coming from a nonchristian..Just historical facts to Josephesus.I do believe that we do not have any proof as for the date any of the nt books were actually written..Does it really make a difference to a believer? No. To the athiest I can see where this is a point to argue.The apostles(cpt10)boldly admitted that they were the desciples of Jesus and continued to spread the word under great danger and eventually their deaths. I could believe if only one or two people had carried on the ministry, that they were a couple of nuts, but come on there were 11 and they added another, not to mention the other converts who were also doing the same.(Cptr11)The top ten. These work for most christians. but would not work for me if I were an athiest or if I was an athiest seeking religion. I agree with the authors that the way the writers express themselves, tell on themselves, and made thenmselves available for public mockery that they were telling the events about the resurrection as they perceived it. They were careful (inspired?) to include names, dates and places in their writings that could be historically proven. I am not going to discuss their comments on the muslims, because to be very honest some of us would probably be muslims if we were born into it. ..I am done with chapter 12and13, but will add it to the comments to the rest of the book and my summary later tonight or in the morning. I am looking forward to see if Dawkins hiolds my interest better than thes guys do
I am almost finished with the book. I said earlier that I wpoldn't be able to finish this challenge thread, but got a guilty conscience because I was a drop out, and I try to finish what I started Chapters nine thru12 were pretty interesting to me as a believer..But then most of us christians do rely on the writings of Josephus as a credible historian. I feel that the few references to Jesus that he made should at least prove that there was a man named Jesuswho was crucified, and his desciples carried on his work after his death..Good testimony coming from a nonchristian..Just historical facts to Josephesus.I do believe that we do not have any proof as for the date any of the nt books were actually written..Does it really make a difference to a believer? No. To the athiest I can see where this is a point to argue.The apostles(cpt10)boldly admitted that they were the desciples of Jesus and continued to spread the word under great danger and eventually their deaths. I could believe if only one or two people had carried on the ministry, that they were a couple of nuts, but come on there were 11 and they added another, not to mention the other converts who were also doing the same.(Cptr11)The top ten. These work for most christians. but would not work for me if I were an athiest or if I was an athiest seeking religion. I agree with the authors that the way the writers express themselves, tell on themselves, and made thenmselves available for public mockery that they were telling the events about the resurrection as they perceived it. They were careful (inspired?) to include names, dates and places in their writings that could be historically proven. I am not going to discuss their comments on the muslims, because to be very honest some of us would probably be muslims if we were born into it. ..I am done with chapter 12and13, but will add it to the comments to the rest of the book and my summary later tonight or in the morning. I am looking forward to see if Dawkins hiolds my interest better than thes guys do
Great comments and observations Blue! I agree with everything you said. You summed it up so perfectly.
Troop...what do you mean? Does he use big words and complicated language? I haven't looked at it yet.
Umm, yeah you could say that he uses big words and complicated language. To be quite honest, I'm afraid that what he's really trying to point out will be somewhat lost in the confusion of deciphering what these big words mean. I have a pretty full understanding of what he is talking about but only because I have read a lot about what it is he is talking about. To be honest, for example, he makes very little effort to explain what the Teleological argument is. Now, for me, I already know that, but to your common reader, do they really know that? I think this is going to be an interesting read and I'm very interested to see what others think of it but I'm not sure if everyone is going to grasp the concepts of what he is talking about. It's still very early in the book to make a determination so maybe it'll all clear up. Makes me think I should pursue writing a book about atheism for the comman laymen
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God Delusion
Chapters nine thru12 were pretty interesting to me as a believer..But then most of us christians do rely on the writings of Josephus as a credible historian. I feel that the few references to Jesus that he made should at least prove that there was a man named Jesuswho was crucified, and his desciples carried on his work after his death..Good testimony coming from a nonchristian..Just historical facts to Josephesus.I do believe that we do not have any proof as for the date any of the nt books were actually written..Does it really make a difference to a believer? No. To the athiest I can see where this is a point to argue.The apostles(cpt10)boldly admitted that they were the desciples of Jesus and continued to spread the word under great danger and eventually their deaths. I could believe if only one or two people had carried on the ministry, that they were a couple of nuts, but come on there were 11 and they added another, not to mention the other converts who were also doing the same.(Cptr11)The top ten. These work for most christians. but would not work for me if I were an athiest or if I was an athiest seeking religion. I agree with the authors that the way the writers express themselves, tell on themselves, and made thenmselves available for public mockery that they were telling the events about the resurrection as they perceived it. They were careful (inspired?) to include names, dates and places in their writings that could be historically proven. I am not going to discuss their comments on the muslims, because to be very honest some of us would probably be muslims if we were born into it. ..I am done with chapter 12and13, but will add it to the comments to the rest of the book and my summary later tonight or in the morning. I am looking forward to see if Dawkins hiolds my interest better than thes guys do
