how could you change god's words ? (pray, Christianity, Christians, believe)

[Wallisdj]

Since angels do not exist, that would be a pretty neat trick.

Tell you what: the moment an angel (who does not exist) appears to me, then I'll convert to . . . something.

Secondly, God does not live in Heaven, like a "Man in the sky." Such mythology died a hundred years ago and is on a respirator.

[squall-lionheart]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

I do not know which Bible you're reading, but in my Bible, Yaacov (Jacob) wrestles with an Angel, not G-d.

You just proved the deference that we could easly find in the many versions of the bible .
Genesis 32:21-32 "Old Testament" .
It said that Jacob wrestles with god !!
in the new testament Jacob wrestles with an Angel .. its all the same story !!
So wich one is the truth ??
wrestles with god or with an Angel ?
what did that till you ??
one word :
"Distorted"
I wonder if there is still an original version of the bible that we finde Jesus Christ said that he is not gods son & he is gods Prophet !!

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart

You just proved the deference that we could easly find in the many versions of the bible .
Genesis 32:21-32 "Old Testament" .
It said that Jacob wrestles with god !!

Which Bible and which version are you quoting?

[squall-lionheart]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

Which Bible and which version are you quoting?

Genesis 32:1-33:11 Lesson 14a
Key Verse 32:28
JACOB WRESTLES WITH GOD
10 - Jacob Wrestles With God - 15 Sermon Series on Life of Jacob, by Pastor Ron Thomas. GospelWeb.net

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart

Genesis 32:1-33:11 Lesson 14a
Key Verse 32:28
JACOB WRESTLES WITH GOD
10 - Jacob Wrestles With God - 15 Sermon Series on Life of Jacob, by Pastor Ron Thomas. GospelWeb.net

Why are you using a Christian version of the Bible, or, if you prefer,the Jewish Bible?

[Jazzymom]

Gen.32:25:
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.


This are from the JPS and it is a man that Jacob wrestles with until the breaking of the day and he is blessed and called Israel from that point on.


Man to this day struggles with G-d and to say otherwise is to not be truthful. That is how one grows in understanding.

What you need to understand is that the Christian Bible is different then the Hebrew Bible and the Hebrew text is an older text as it existed before Christianity and the Christian OT. The Christian OT has been changed in its wording.


Hosea 12:
So he strove with an angel, and prevailed; he wept, and made supplication unto him; at Beth-el he would find him, and there he would speak with us;

Jacob wrestles with a man and an angel, not G-d.

[Sir Les]

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart

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Hi
Could you till me please how many different versions are there of the Bible & what is the original version ?
If there is any difference beside translation then why is that ?
Is't that supposed to be god's words ?!!.. then how could you change god's words ?
Am i missing something here !!
Thank you

Let us think about what is...as Given..By the creator of everything...for us to tend and keep and share...for God shares everything...Let Us become Like God!..the creator cares about all the things he created...listed and blessed and sanctified by his own word and will, and Judgements...that they are all Good....and in that they are always Good according to The creator, when used in the right light!

So We should not profane anythings to our limited scope or view....they are Good...and should always be concidered Good..when used in the right way!

Tend and keep the Garden well...with all seeds for all life depends on us doing what God created us for!
This is wisdom...
God asks us to multiply the givens over the planet...climatizing it, and making it ordered, so more life can come forth onto it.
Multiplying the givens first and foremost, makes more food to have more people.

God shares everything....why oh why can we not share everything?

Who has brought the idea of $atan and a cost imposed just to live...in what God said he gave freely to all?

And if we do not do the first instruction or our reason for being made..as tenders of all things...and in a sharing manner share with our brothers and sisters all things Good God made....then surely the corruption has already sown it self into the mind and hearts of them who do nothing of a sort...and hord or slaughter to gain control...so they only profit.

This is not what God intended...as his son shows us by kicking out the money and the money changers, who were subjecting Life to a false value system.

Now...WHat has Changed in the word of God? to bring about this madness we now see before us in the world gone mad, and heading for destruction...via pollution, and warfare, and stupidity of a race of humans doing things wrong, or against the word of God....?

Acts 10:15...states not to profane what God has made clean...(Or Called Good)
In Genesis all things were called Good, and blessed...Genesis 9:3 underlines Plants as being foremostly Given..and what Kind of Plants also stated being green....for they help climatize the planet so other things can come to be.....and in that it is underlined as being Good by God.

So here is where something has been Changed...via bad word of those in charge...saying it is bad, and prohibiting the sowing and knowing of this plant...Marijuana and or hemp, and other plants of the field..Poppies, cactus, and differing fungus/mushrooms...
All these things are part and partners in making this planet climatized, and in other stages help enrich the soils in their composition and decomposition...which brings us to know that certain plants are necessary....and why God underlines them in Genesis 9:3.

So how does Humankind change the word of God...by supporting the opposite...in taxes that prohibite and denie the sowing or using of these entities God Gave us to use.

Ethanol from hemp...easy to grow, ...easy to know...the seeds are Good for food....and it is very industrious!...and could contain healing remedies.

So here is a wonderious Plant,,..and other plants that can aid Humankind...and they are being railroaded out of existence because someone or something has changed the word of God.

Paradise...EDEN...New worlds to make like EDEN...being the multiple of the one first made....

EDENS!....and it all starts with God, and Plants...climatizing the planet chosen.....

If we remove one thing from the equation of life....then the equation of life becomes false!

Now that is wisdom.....see the world humans are making failing?
Wonder why?...they changed something that should not be changed.

ANd they are now changing the wedlock, and the forced mindset to accept what is unacceptable...in natural terms...to be totally unnatural..

How long will they continue to denie, and constantly change, and break commandments of the creator?.....maybe till its too late to change back!

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart

You just proved the deference that we could easly find in the many versions of the bible .
Genesis 32:21-32 "Old Testament" .
It said that Jacob wrestles with god !!

Here's the key quote, from the Hebrew Publishing Society edition of Scripture (pretty much the closest thing to a translation of the original Aramaic as you can get)...

Genesis 32:25 "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day."

In verse 30, Jacob asks the man's name and is not given an answer. He concludes that he has been wrestling with a messenger sent by God (that's all Scripture considers "angels" to be: God's messengers).

By the way, what did you mean with your use of the word "deference?" Could you possibly have meant "inference?"

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

... of the original Aramaic ...

Original Aramaic?

There was no Aramaic at Sinai; there was Hebrew.

[Gplex]

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart

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Hi
Could you till me please how many different versions are there of the Bible & what is the original version ?
If there is any difference beside translation then why is that ?
Is't that supposed to be god's words ?!!.. then how could you change god's words ?
Am i missing something here !!
Thank you

The bible and other scriptures were written by men. So I can not change gods word, because there is no "gods word".