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Old 11-25-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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I have Thanksgiving every day! The older I get, the more I enjoy and appreciate my life.

I had at least one Pilgram ancestor in the Plymouth settlement and another who arrived in Boston in 1639, and I am very thankful they had the courage to come to this land and begin the development of the civilization I now enjoy.

I know that some of the Native Americans gave my ancestors a little trouble, but I am very glad my ancestors were eventually successful.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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I imagine that some of your ancestors gave Native Americans more than a little trouble as well.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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I imagine that some of your ancestors gave Native Americans more than a little trouble as well.
I think you are absolutely right. The men and women who left England and sailed to this land with the hope of living a better life had to be very tough people. I really admire them.
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Old 11-26-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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I think you are absolutely right. The men and women who left England and sailed to this land with the hope of living a better life had to be very tough people. I really admire them.
I would have admired them if they could have learned to live with the native populations instead of working to eradicate them.
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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I think you are absolutely right. The men and women who left England and sailed to this land with the hope of living a better life had to be very tough people. I really admire them.
Some of them were admirable, some weren't. I have no Mayflower descent, I don't think my family came here until the Napoleonic wars at earliest, but anyway I imagine some of my ancestors were rascals.

It seems like the Pilgrims weren't as bad as the Puritans as I think they were different groups. Still they had some pretty rascally or violent types amongst them. Still if you need them to be "white hats" I guess that's what you need.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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I would have admired them if they could have learned to live with the native populations instead of working to eradicate them.
That's not the way humans act.

For example, read how the Jews massacred the Midianites as described in Chapter 31 of the Book of Numbers.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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That's not the way humans act.

For example, read how the Jews massacred the Midianites as described in Chapter 31 of the Book of Numbers.

So I guess just because it's written in some sacred book it justifies the attempted eradication of the native people of this land. Now that's true brotherhood for you, true Christian thinking in the name of manifest destiny.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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So I guess just because it's written in some sacred book it justifies the attempted eradication of the native people of this land. Now that's true brotherhood for you, true Christian thinking in the name of manifest destiny.
No, you don't need a sacred book to guide you. It is just common behavior for one group of people to push other groups off their land.

That's why the ancestors of the Navajos and Apaches came down from Canada about 600 years ago and pushed the Ancestral Puebloans off their land. As a result, the Hopis still hate the Navajos.

Didn't the Lakotas do the same thing to the Blackfeet and the Crows? I thought that was why the Crows were on our side when we fought the Sioux.
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Old 11-26-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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I knew the Pawnee were often attacked by the Sioux. In some stories sympathetic to the Sioux the Pawnee are made into the "bad guys" and as the Pawnee did once practice child-sacrifice I guess this was easy to do. Still it seems like they were more beaten by Sioux than beating them. I guess the Pawnee themselves, like the Lakota, fought with the Crow Nation on occasion.

Still that American-Indians killed each other I don't think would justify anything.
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:11 AM
 
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I knew the Pawnee were often attacked by the Sioux. In some stories sympathetic to the Sioux the Pawnee are made into the "bad guys" and as the Pawnee did once practice child-sacrifice I guess this was easy to do. Still it seems like they were more beaten by Sioux than beating them. I guess the Pawnee themselves, like the Lakota, fought with the Crow Nation on occasion.

Still that American-Indians killed each other I don't think would justify anything.
No, it's just the greed in human nature. All you have to do is persuade others to see a particular group as a "them" instead of as people.
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