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Aaaah... you're coming form a pluralistic philosophy of Science against 'Method' as I'd understand. But how does one justify the very essence for something occurring for scientific progress like the Monistic supreme source. This is disturbing if you mean that a plurality of supreme forces will be imposed on mankind each in their respective regions of the planet, their respective people oriented to the Truth (or common morals). It is disturbing that people are soon regarded without a means for improving reconciliation.
I also think you must be Tgnostic in an equally incomprehensible avatar.
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Originally Posted by Mickiel
I disagree, Theologians did not try to discredit science, the church tried to control it; that caused the Scientific revolution; Scientist grew tired of " Church motivated science." Science began as a search for the divine, no doubt about that in history. Many early scientist did do their work because of their theology.
Quite right. But the results that the God - believing scientists came up with all led to finding other explanations for how things were and how they worked and came to be and God gradually found himself out of a job. Now we have got to the stage where religion is better off keeping quiet and not sticking its nose into science, and then it won't do any harm.
I also think you must be Tgnostic in an equally incomprehensible avatar.
Quite right. But the results that the God - believing scientists came up with all led to finding other explanations for how things were and how they worked and came to be and God gradually found himself out of a job. Now we have got to the stage where religion is better off keeping quiet and not sticking its nose into science, and then it won't do any harm.
Well no, " Some" believing scientist became Atheist in their work, not all of them. Not Galileo Galilei or Lousi Pasteur; Not Nicholas Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Blaise Pascal or Michael Faraday; and to view a list of many of them refer to Wikipedias list of " Christian Thinkers in Science", there are over 150 of them listed from those times.
I also think you must be Tgnostic in an equally incomprehensible avatar.
Quite right. But the results that the God - believing scientists came up with all led to finding other explanations for how things were and how they worked and came to be and God gradually found himself out of a job. Now we have got to the stage where religion is better off keeping quiet and not sticking its nose into science, and then it won't do any harm.
I would then recommend writing letters to all the university's ensuring that
science is not interfered with, as you fear.
Even though the letter may be the only one & a little nutsy...its important to enjoy the realization that each of us really do, make a difference.
Well no, " Some" believing scientist became Atheist in their work, not all of them. Not Galileo Galilei or Lousi Pasteur; Not Nicholas Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Blaise Pascal or Michael Faraday; and to view a list of many of them refer to Wikipedias list of " Christian Thinkers in Science", there are over 150 of them listed from those times.
Einstein wasn't religious and didn't even believe in "God" in the personal sense. He certainly was not a Christian.
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with [accused of] undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
Einstein wasn't religious and didn't even believe in "God" in the personal sense. He certainly was not a Christian.
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He was not an Atheist either. Einstien was a Jew who was trained in the Roman Catholic church, and the Talmud by his family. He accepted the historical existence of Jesus as true and valid. Although he didnot personally accept God into his life, he believed God created and maintained the Universe.
I used Einstien to show scientist who didnot deny religion. Einstien said himself that he considered the Cosmic religious feeling as the strongest and noblest motive for science. Indeed religion was the original motive behind science.
He was not an Atheist either. Einstien was a Jew who was trained in the Roman Catholic church, and the Talmud by his family. He accepted the historical existence of Jesus as true and valid. Although he didnot personally accept God into his life, he believed God created and maintained the Universe.
I used Einstien to show scientist who didnot deny religion. Einstien said himself that he considered the Cosmic religious feeling as the strongest and noblest motive for science. Indeed religion was the original motive behind science.
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.
Albert Einstein
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Einstein.
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.
Albert Einstein
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Einstein.
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
Albert Einstein- " In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to reconize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views."
Atheism in particular Irked Einstein. Einsteinandreligion.com/atheism.html.
Nuclear Proliferation leads to World-wide Peace treaty in a Socialistic World-wide Superstate promising an Atheistic Utopia. Turns out to be a false peace. Zeitgeist Venus Project Technocratic Aryan Transhuman Superstate thinking all must "evolve" to become a "god". Your either King of the mountain or deemed an inferior race castrated for population control. Don't agree with the King, go to get "re-educated" in the local brainwashing center.
Since death is the hero in Evolution theology... The more people are slaughtered, the faster the evolution process goes. All elders eliminated because they come at cost. Population control. etc...
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A world led by an egotistical World Leader that leads the human race to a Battle where they find out the hard way God does exist.
Daniel 8:23-25
23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Daniel 11
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Revelation 16
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Zechariah 14
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Isaiah 13:3-11
3I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.
4The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
5They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
6Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Zechariah 12:9-14
9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
The Day of the LORD prophesied over 80 references in both Old and New Testaments. In the new testament, we learn the Lord is Messiah Jesus.
Matthew 13
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Albert Einstein- " In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to reconize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views."
Atheism in particular Irked Einstein. Einsteinandreligion.com/atheism.html.
Thanks for nothing...Readers do NOT go to that site...It is virus infected.
Thanks for nothing...Readers do NOT go to that site...It is virus infected.
It didnot infect my computer.
Anyhow, Einstiens quotes are all over the place, but he believed in God; in his own way. A brillant man, he was just perculiar; but he believed the universe was made by God, and religious feelings were the strongest motives for science; which I personally agree with him.
Kind of makes me wonder what a world of intellectuals would be like?
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