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i am not "sinned" because an ancient book say so. quoting it to somebody who don't live by it is useless. i cannot be sinful because i don't live according to your religious rules
Ever lied? Taken anything that didn't belong to you? Lusted for someone of the opposite sex? Used God's name in vain? Had sex outside of marriage? Like I said, were all in need of a Savior. Regardless of what one may believe, that doesn't change reality. Hell is a very real place and it wasn't intended for humans, but since we have sinned against God we are placing ourselves in danger of going there. But Jesus offers us a way back into relationship with God. He is righteous.
no but huge correlation between sense of social consciousness, community and family connectivity and staying out of jail.
high IQ and prison dont go together.
name one person that doesn't. people don't deserve eternal punishment for lying
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Taken anything that didn't belong to you?
by mistake
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Lusted for someone of the opposite sex?
Humans are sexual beings we are biologically designed to have sexual feelings. if this is bad why did your god according to you gave humans sexual desires? why worship a god that make us defective and expect us to fix ourselves.
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Used God's name in vain?
yes when i was a believer.
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Had sex outside of marriage?
yes i regularly make love to my girlfriend see the response to your lust question humans are sexual beings
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Like I said, were all in need of a Savior.
i don't feel the need for a savior
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Regardless of what one may believe, that doesn't change reality. Hell is a very real place and it wasn't intended for humans, but since we have sinned against God we are placing ourselves in danger of going there. But Jesus offers us a way back into relationship with God. He is righteous.
this is the language of totalitarianism and fascism. the classic threats of hellfire if one does not believe and submit to a celestial dictatorship which i have no say in and did not choose or elected,. i will not be talked to in this manner as if i am a serf or a slave.
fortunately this mythical celestial dictatorship is mythical
Sure there is a correlation: The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God"... Psalm 14:1
I'm new to these forums, but are there atheists here? If so, why are you on a religious forum? Not that I mind, I love atheists, so much so that I don't mind offending you to tell you about Jesus and how can have eternal life though Him.
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I didn't call anyone a fool, not at all. Just quoted Scripture. We all are in need of a Savior because we have all sinned against God. Jesus fulfilled God's Law perfectly so only He can save you. He offered Himself to die for our sins, if we will repent of our sins and trust in Him we have life through Him and our sin is not imputed to us.
"Just quoting Scripture" is fun isn't it?
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became an adult, I no longer used childish ways." 1 Cor 13:11
I think of grown adults who still need to believe in a parental deity figure in the 21st century as never have grown out of their 'childish ways'.
Welcome to CD forums. You'll find that many atheists on this forum were former Christian/theists and probably know far more about the Bible and Jesus and your religion than you could tell them. Which is usually why they are atheists.
no but huge correlation between sense of social consciousness, community and family connectivity and staying out of jail.
high IQ and prison dont go together.
I guess that explains why there are so few atheists in jail...
name one person that doesn't. people don't deserve eternal punishment for lying
I can't, I have lied also, that doesn't make it right in any way. We actually do deserve it because we make the choice to disobey, God loves us so much that He would come in the flesh and die a very painful death so we can be saved
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Humans are sexual beings we are biologically designed to have sexual feelings. if this is bad why did your god according to you gave humans sexual desires? why worship a god that make us defective and expect us to fix ourselves.
Yes we are, and sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed in the bonds of marriage, they shall be united together and be one, sex otherwise is sinning against your own body
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i don't feel the need for a savior
Really? Would you feel like a parachute if you were falling from an airplane?
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this is the language of totalitarianism and fascism. the classic threats of hellfire if one does not believe and submit to a celestial dictatorship which i have no say in and did not choose or elected,. i will not be talked to in this manner as if i am a serf or a slave.
You should think about this from another point of view, its not "do this or that or go to hell forever" its about love and redemption, people make the choice to go there own way and save themselves, but as I pointed out that wouldn't work out to well for them, but God offers us freedom from sin and the bondage that brings, He is everlasting and holy and wants us to enjoy His creation for ever.
I can't, I have lied also, that doesn't make it right in any way. We actually do deserve it because we make the choice to disobey, God loves us so much that He would come in the flesh and die a very painful death so we can be saved
i don't believe in a god dying so we can be "saved" because an ancient book said so
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Yes we are, and sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed in the bonds of marriage, they shall be united together and be one, sex otherwise is sinning against your own body
i don't believe in your god nor your follow your religious rules.
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Really? Would you feel like a parachute if you were falling from an airplane?
quit derailing the topic. I son't see the need for a savior dying for some imaginary sins because an ancient book said so. this is not the same is jumping out of a plain you need a course on logical thinking
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You should think about this from another point of view, its not "do this or that or go to hell forever" its about love and redemption, people make the choice to go there own way and save themselves, but as I pointed out that wouldn't work out to well for them, but God offers us freedom from sin and the bondage that brings, He is everlasting and holy and wants us to enjoy His creation for ever.
saying that that they go out and choose the save themselves and it won't work out for them is just a polite version of threats of eternal punishment. no matter how nice you say this the massage is still the same, believe this or suffer
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