Sam Harris: Morality and the Christian God (verses, prayer, proof)

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Again, you asked us where morals come from, we responded with biological precursors and then you just ignore the evidence and say 'I reject that' and then accuse us of being off topic.

You have nothing but repetitive #$%$#$%&^*(*&(.

Yup. I hold to my position. It stands. What's your point? You still have yet to prove how your system of morality gives you the right, or authority to judge ANYONE else...much less God.

Originally Posted by Vizio

Yup. I hold to my position. It stands. What's your point?

My point is - stop misrepresenting the dialogue.

You still have yet to prove how your system of morality gives you the right, or authority to judge ANYONE else...much less God.

I have already done so - and you lost - not my fault you refuse to see it or understand it.

Originally Posted by Vizio

You still have yet to prove how your system of morality gives you the right, or authority to judge ANYONE else...much less God.

That's ironic since you have not even proven your moral system exists.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

That's ironic since you have not even proven your moral system exists.

This isn't about mine. This is about atheists that claim they can judge God, when truthfully, they can't even judge a mass murderer among humans.

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

My point is - stop misrepresenting the dialogue.

I'm not. You're defeated on this. You have no ability to judge God, or anyone else because all you have is your feelings, your opinions, and what you claim science gives us. Of course, none of these allow you to say anyone else is wrong.

Originally Posted by Vizio

This isn't about mine. This is about atheists that claim they can judge God, when truthfully, they can't even judge a mass murderer among humans.

I'm not. You're defeated on this. You have no ability to judge God, or anyone else because all you have is your feelings, your opinions, and what you claim science gives us. Of course, none of these allow you to say anyone else is wrong.

I'll employ the Vizio technique - 'I reject that.'

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

I'll employ the Vizio technique - 'I reject that.'

yay. Why actually prove your point? The onus is on you to prove that you have the authority to judge...not me. This thread is about Sammy boy claiming the moral high road...all I'm asking for is to have someone back it up.

Originally Posted by Vizio

This isn't about mine. This is about atheists that claim they can judge God, when truthfully, they can't even judge a mass murderer among humans.

When you claim that you need an external source that is above humans in order to judge and then you refuse (more likely can't) demonstrate that and then ask us questions about how we can and then we answer you and your response is just 'I reject that' then I don't see any where else to go with this conversation.

Originally Posted by Vizio

yay. Why actually prove your point? The onus is on you to prove that you have the authority to judge...not me. This thread is about Sammy boy claiming the moral high road...all I'm asking for is to have someone back it up.

We already did for the thousandth time Who says I don't have the authority to judge? You?

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Ascribing human attributes to animals who act on instinct doesn't make it so.

Blindly dismissing every post doesn't make you right...It makes you look foolish....

Humans and all other animals that have a moral code must suppress some of their instincts...

Morality is an evolved trait that has been with the human animal ever since before our ancestors descended from the trees and formed communities many thousands of years ago....Every animal that lives in groups has a moral code, otherwise community living would not be possible...The main tenets of morality are empathy and reciprocity (cooperation) something we share with many animals, your denial of this changes nothing.

The god you believe in may have taught his version of morality, but he didn't invent it, nor does it originate from him. There are still people living in remote places of the world who have never even heard of your god, and their moral code is just fine.

Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals | Video on TED.com

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Vizio

I'd be willing to bet that I know more about the subject of morality in animals than you know about the Bible.

You know nothing but denial.