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As with dozens of words, ONE has multiple meanings. Not a only can it mean one in number but also one in UNITY. It means unity in 1 Jn. 5:7 as it does in Jn. 17:11, 21-23, and yet these 3 persons, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are spoken of as one (singular) each in number and individuality in scripture. There is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Ghost (1 Cor. 8:6); Eph. 4:3-6). Thus there are 3 separate persons in divine individuality and divine plurality.
The Father is called God (1 Cor. 8:6) the Son is called God (Isa. 9:6-7); Heb. 1:8 Jn. 1:1-2; 20:28 and the Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3-4 and literally dozens of other verses).
As individual persons each can be called God and collectively they can be spoken of as one God because of their perfect unity.
Additionally, the Word God itself is USED either as a singular or a plural word, like sheep.
Don't get hung up because the word TRINITY is not mentioned in verse. Understand what scripture is teaching you.
I looked at all those refs you provided and it seems you are misunderstanding them...Theos just doesn't mean God, it also means judge and magistrate or someone that comes in name and authority of another...Which Yeshua did, hence His parable of the tenants...Isa. 9:6-7 does not mean mighty God but rathet mighty man of God (gibbor means warrior or strong man)...
I realize you do not believe it . . . but I am trying to aid you in teaching your flock the TRUTH about God as revealed by Jesus the Christ . . . NOT the ancients who prophesied about Christ. They believed savage and barbaric things about God under the veil of their ignorance and superstitions. The religious leaders should long ago have corrected these barbarities . . . but they retained them for their own purposes of power and control. It seems you are perpetuating them for similar reasons. I am trying to dissuade you from doing so. Paul did not lie to promote Evil as Good . . . the mainstream churches do.
And, how is this TRUTH revealed by Jesus? What medium and when?
Yet, I've given you a link to a page that cites very specifically how the doctrine is developed -- including Bible verses that demonstrate it.
If you disagree with that, please at least explain it. You have not attempted to do that at all.
Honestly vizio, couldn't you give us someone a little more credible than Matt Slick? This guy is so far into outer space he's past the Andromeda Galaxy.
Please try someone with some legitimate credentials. Matt's last name isn't "slick" for nothing, you know.
Honestly vizio, couldn't you give us someone a little more credible than Matt Slick? This guy is so far into outer space he's past the Andromeda Galaxy.
Please try someone with some legitimate credentials. Matt's last name isn't "slick" for nothing, you know.
You are committing the source fallacy. You can hate the guy, and think his motives are wrong--but the page I linked to is sound. I can't put together a better post to more adequately explain it.
If you can successfully argue against his points, feel free to...but to attack him personally is a lame argument.
You are committing the source fallacy. You can hate the guy, and think his motives are wrong--but the page I linked to is sound. I can't put together a better post to more adequately explain it.
If you can successfully argue against his points, feel free to...but to attack him personally is a lame argument.
I won't turn this thread into a criticism of Mr. Slick, but just know that in the world of rational thought
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Matt Slick defends “honor killing”: a woman’s hymen is worth more than her life. Matt Slick is a moral imbecile. If any article demonstrates better than this one how badly religion can screw up a human being’s fundamental sense of right and wrong, I’ve managed to miss it.
He silently assents to the stoning of a young girl by saying, and I quote:
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Critics of the Bible must be careful not to impose their present day moral system upon that of an ancient culture found in Scripture and then judge Scripture as though it is inferior to their own subjective morality. The above verses were written 3,000 years ago in a very different culture and location.
Read: certain cultures in the world today who stone young women in the name of honor are just following long-held religious beliefs and traditions and we must not interfere by passing moral judgement on their actions.
As I said, his last name isn't "Slick" for nuttin'. And again I ask, vizio, can't you find someone with a little more credibility to defend the Trinity?
I won't turn this thread into a criticism of Mr. Slick, but just know that in the world of rational thought
He silently assents to the stoning of a young girl by saying, and I quote:
Read: certain cultures in the world today who stone young women in the name of honor are just following long-held religious beliefs and traditions and we must not interfere by passing moral judgement on their actions.
As I said, his last name isn't "Slick" for nuttin'. And again I ask, vizio, can't you find someone with a little more credibility to defend the Trinity?
What are you talking about? What honor killing did he defend? Are you referring to a Bible verse? If so, what does that have to do with the topic of the Trinity? How,does that invalidate the content of that page I linked to?
Is it that youre incapable of actually addressing the topic so you'd rather hijack the thread and change the topic?
What are you talking about? What honor killing did he defend? Are you referring to a Bible verse? If so, what does that have to do with the topic of the Trinity? How,does that invalidate the content of that page I linked to?
Is it that youre incapable of actually addressing the topic so you'd rather hijack the thread and change the topic?
This is turning into pure nonsense. Let's drop it.
Yet, I've given you a link to a page that cites very specifically how the doctrine is developed -- including Bible verses that demonstrate it.
If you disagree with that, please at least explain it. You have not attempted to do that at all.
Would you even attempt to see logic?...
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