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But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? Romans 3:7
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In every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Jesus is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. Philippians 1:18
Translated: "Okay, so I lie in the message I preach. Doesn't the end, souls being won to Christ, justify the means (lying) I employ?"
Very honest and very bold of Paul. We know that he preached a gospel (salvation by faith alone) completely contrary to Jesus' gospel (salvation and works) and reiterated by James, His brother (salvation and works). James should have had better knowledge of Jesus' message than Paul, James having lived with Jesus and hearing Him preach.
Well, at least Paul comes clean about his lie. The problem is 99% of Christians are so ignorant about what is really in the Bible they have no clue. I was recently talking to my cousin, a passionate fundy, about the fallacy of Matthew's "He shall be called a Nazarene" and she had absolutely no idea about the verse. Her response, "Really, I didn't know that."
Last edited by thrillobyte; 12-28-2013 at 11:26 AM..
Translated: "Okay, so I lie in the message I preach. Doesn't the end, souls being won to Christ, justify the means (lying) I employ?"
Very honest and very bold of Paul. We know that he preached a gospel (salvation by faith alone) completely contrary to Jesus' gospel (salvation and works) and reiterated by James, His brother (salvation and works). James should have had better knowledge of Jesus' message than Paul, James having lived with Jesus and hearing Him preach.
Well, at least Paul comes clean about his lie. The problem is 99% of Christians are so ignorant about what is really in the Bible they have no clue. I was recently talking to my cousin, a passionate fundy, about the fallacy of Matthew's "He shall be called a Nazarene" and she had absolutely no idea about the verse. Her response, "Really, I didn't know that."
Not only that, but in the next verse he asks, why not do evil so good may come? Do you think he then went on a murder spree?
Or do you think maybe he was speaking hypothetically? If you sit down and read the first few chapter you'll see that no...he wasn't saying he was lying.
It amazes me when people read one verse and run with it...completely out of context. You're like that kid that comes home and sees a note from Mom that says "Do not eat the cake"....so you eat the cake, because when you ignore the first 2 words, it says "eat the cake".
Then check my addition to my OP and see that again in Philippians he admits that even pretense is a rational defense to getting the message out. Why not just read it for what it says, "Paul was willing to employ any means necessary--truth, or lies and pretense--to get Jesus' message out there and accepted."
Then check my addition to my OP and see that again in Philippians he admits that even pretense is a rational defense to getting the message out. Why not just read it for what it says, "Paul was willing to employ any means necessary--truth, or lies and pretense--to get Jesus' message out there and accepted."
Why do I read it that way? Because I actually believe in reading what it says--in context. I don't rip a verse out and read it completely opposite to what it actually says in context. As I said--you'd probably eat the cake.
Whether you are lying, or presenting erroneous information in the sincere belief that it is true, at the end you still have bogus information.
The atheists here need to realize that.
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