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He said this, " My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" What if the Jewish people are right and Jesus is not the Messiah and we are still waiting for him?
He said this, " My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" What if the Jewish people are right and Jesus is not the Messiah and we are still waiting for him?
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
Jesus is the Messiah. When He cried out with that statement He was quoting Psalm 22:1.
Psalm 22:1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.
Psalm 22:1 while having application to David, is also a Messianic prophecy which Jesus fulfilled on the Cross.
You need to understand that while Jesus was bearing our sins in His body on the Cross, God the Father had to turn away from Jesus. The perfect relationship which Jesus had always had with the Father had to be broken until every sin in the human race had been judged. That was His spiritual death which paid the penalty for our sins. The anguish that Jesus felt, the pain of being in contact with every sin in the history of the human race while being judged for them was indescribable. That was why He cried out in fulfillment of Psalm 22:1.
You need to understand that while Jesus was bearing our sins in His body on the Cross, God the Father had to turn away from Jesus. The perfect relationship which Jesus had always had with the Father had to be broken until every sin in the human race had been judged. That was His spiritual death which paid the penalty for our sins. The anguish that Jesus felt, the pain of being in contact with every sin in the history of the human race while being judged for them was indescribable. That was why He cried out in fulfillment of Psalm 22:1.
The question was a fulfillment of the Psalm, not your answer to it.
The question was a fulfillment of the Psalm, not your answer to it.
As, I said, Jesus' cry was a fulfillment of Psalm 82:1. But the reason for the cry was that God the Father had to forsake Jesus while He bore the sins of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself.
That's right. And that required Jesus paying the penalty for the sins of the world. But while Jesus was actually bearing our sins, the Father had to break His relationship with Jesus.
Jesus didn't ask the Father why He had forsaken Him just for the heck of it.
That's right. And that required Jesus paying the penalty for the sins of the world. But while Jesus was actually bearing our sins, the Father had to break His relationship with Jesus.
Jesus didn't ask the Father why He had forsaken Him just for the heck of it.
Truth or Tradition?
Personally, I believe they understood him, quite well.
Well, THIS will really be wild for most people!!
Do I dare?
What the heck....St. John said to James E. Padgett...Jesus never ever said that sentence,
#1 God never abandoned him....good, bec it never made sense to me completely
anyway, even when it was explained to me "logically" by priests and pastors.
#2 We were so far away no one could have heard him anyway...it was inserted
by others.
And there you have the REST of the story.
My reputation as doubting many things men wrote in the Bible is intact!!
BTW: I would never have written this in the Christian section...that would
smack of me wanting to change their beliefs, I don't even read over there....
It is just another viewpoint....I don't expect one person here to believe what
James E. Padgett was told just because I have read the messages in full and
do believe them....they make so much more sense than what I was taught.
No need to get mad at me....you can all inwardly roll your eyes....or check out
the messages for yourselves. There.
Last edited by Miss Hepburn; 01-31-2014 at 07:56 AM..
Even as a Christian, I do believe it is highly likely that the words were inserted in the gospels in order to make the crucifixion conform to the messianic Psalm 22. Matthew in particular was focused on convincing Jews that Jesus was the Messiah and thus emphasized the fulfillment of OT prophecies. There is one famous example where he misread the OT and portrayed Jesus as riding into Jerusalem on both a donkey and the foal of a donkey -- a neat trick, as though Jesus were riding sidesaddle with his legs draped across two donkeys. The fact that the words also appear in Mark does give me some pause, because Mark is the earlier gospel; so the tradition must be an old one and not something that Matthew simply invented. The idea that God "temporarily abandoned" Jesus while Jesus was "paying the penalty" for mankind's sins is certainly one (among several) views of the atonement, but one that has always struck me as almost pathetic in its simple-mindedness and completely unworthy of the Creator of the Universe. The pillars upon which Christianity stands or falls are (1) Jesus' life, death and, especially, resurrection; (2) that his life, death and resurrection somehow, mysteriously, reconciled mankind to God; and (3) that individuals can participate in the reconciliation by acknowledging their estrangement from God and their need for the grace he offers through Jesus. The details of the crucifixion are completely unimportant, as are 99.9% of the other things that have fragmented Christianity into 30,000+ denominations, most of which absolutely despise a fair portion of the others because they "haven't got the details right."
What? Someone else believes these words were inserted, also?
Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised. It makes more sense than God abandoning Jesus...
As if...
It is so easy to add something when you want the masses to believe....the masses
that couldn't even read much....in other words, the men in power could do anything.
But, what a shock it was for me to open to this new idea that even this sentence was tampered with.
..I was a die-hard evangelical...Baptised in the Holy Spirit, and speaker in tongues...still everyday.
Sorry, Mr. Bede, couldn't rep you for awhile they say.
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